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The “Red Pill”: your gear and stories

davidjoe

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I’m wondering how similar or not our paths are to this rarified place we occupy. On the spectrum of gun owners, we all represent the most discerning end of the range of those interested in physical, mechanical and optimal performance aspects of firearms.

And then, beyond that, there is the conscious choice to begin shooting matches. As a young adult I saw matches, from a safe distance, as that hallowed construct generating an enormous gravitational field; a rite of passage for some, designed to collect the pinnacle of all gun enthusiasts, organize them, motivate them, and march them across that invisible line of no longer preserving their guns at their absolute peak performance potential, similar to driving that classic sports car like it was “intended to be driven,” all the time (breaking it and getting some more).

Colloquially, the “Red Pill” choice is the one, presented at an important junction, to voluntarily subject oneself to a path less taken. I tend to view match shooting as the red pill gun lovers took. Some call it a rabbit hole, a black hole, or a lifestyle. True, all. But the red pill could be to devise, in absolute terms, the most accurate and uncompromising firearm possible, or the most classically beautiful, enduring, valuable, etc.

Savage made my Red Pill guns, the rather clunky, three screw single shots, with fat barrels that by the pound, gave you 40% more steel for the dollar, where it needed to be to shoot.

They weren’t beautiful to look at, just functional as could be, in so many ways:

Fat, long barrel from the factory;

Solid bottom action;

Thick recoil lug;

Three 5/32’s action screws:

Beefy laminated or H&S stocks;

Light target trigger, if finicky though on readjusting itself to lock us out.

That time, in the years before the 2010’s, these value laden stainless chunks were shipped in high volume to compete with only two other factory heavy barrels near their price point, Brownings A-Bolt target repeater and I suppose, Ruger’s heavy barrel controlled feed rifle. Controlled round target rifles were their own “red pill” unto themselves, though.

But as the dad of two very young shooters, and though it didn’t make the gun any more accurate, that second blind lug, and unique shroud meant one thing, this rifle is simply put, sending any escaping gas anywhere besides backward, and only the Mark V had really even considered this.

I pulled this one out to reacquaint myself with. That Ken Farrell base, original NSX .25 moa true ball detent turret, stout Nightforce steel ring set, simple Harris Bipod, those days were great, and the gun was early FTR pure.

I didn’t feel guilty about shooting these Savages. That’s the critical transition between circling the black hole, and looking out, from it.

After the Savages, it was on to mainly custom guns. The Savages, at least this one, I cared enough about to polish up to 1500 grit paper.

How they shot and were made, are why I took that red pill.
 

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The "Red Pill" may have started with a Rem 40X is 22-250 and varmint shooting. Then a few years of benchrest shooting in the quest for one hole accuracy. It morphed into an M1A, sling, hard back coat, and XC competition and the quest for Distinguished Rifleman and Presidents 100 honors. Now, the challenge of MR and LR prone.
The rifles that were shot off of rests/bags presented the opportunity to lean the basics of assembling an accurate rifle and refining loading techniques.
Competing with an iron sighted rifle that you supported with your hands and body, took the challenge to another level. Now, YOU are part of the accuracy equation. Building solid positions, minimizing your muzzle movement, learning to turn the sight knobs to compensate for the wind (all at the same time) that was the ultimate challenge to become a "Rifleman".
I guess there are different forms of competition and am just "Old School" in the path that I took. The challenge has been great and on-going trying to keep doing what I love to do.
 
I’m wondering how similar or not our paths are to this rarified place we occupy. On the spectrum of gun owners, we all represent the most discerning end of the range of those interested in physical, mechanical and optimal performance aspects of firearms.

And then, beyond that, there is the conscious choice to begin shooting matches. As a young adult I saw matches, from a safe distance, as that hallowed construct generating an enormous gravitational field; a rite of passage for some, designed to collect the pinnacle of all gun enthusiasts, organize them, motivate them, and march them across that invisible line of no longer preserving their guns at their absolute peak performance potential, similar to driving that classic sports car like it was “intended to be driven,” all the time (breaking it and getting some more).

Colloquially, the “Red Pill” choice is the one, presented at an important junction, to voluntarily subject oneself to a path less taken. I tend to view match shooting as the red pill gun lovers took. Some call it a rabbit hole, a black hole, or a lifestyle. True, all. But the red pill could be to devise, in absolute terms, the most accurate and uncompromising firearm possible, or the most classically beautiful, enduring, valuable, etc.

Savage made my Red Pill guns, the rather clunky, three screw single shots, with fat barrels that by the pound, gave you 40% more steel for the dollar, where it needed to be to shoot.

They weren’t beautiful to look at, just functional as could be, in so many ways:

Fat, long barrel from the factory;

Solid bottom action;

Thick recoil lug;

Three 5/32’s action screws:

Beefy laminated or H&S stocks;

Light target trigger, if finicky though on readjusting itself to lock us out.

That time, in the years before the 2010’s, these value laden stainless chunks were shipped in high volume to compete with only two other factory heavy barrels near their price point, Brownings A-Bolt target repeater and I suppose, Ruger’s heavy barrel controlled feed rifle. Controlled round target rifles were their own “red pill” unto themselves, though.

But as the dad of two very young shooters, and though it didn’t make the gun any more accurate, that second blind lug, and unique shroud meant one thing, this rifle is simply put, sending any escaping gas anywhere besides backward, and only the Mark V had really even considered this.

I pulled this one out to reacquaint myself with. That Ken Farrell base, original NSX .25 moa true ball detent turret, stout Nightforce steel ring set, simple Harris Bipod, those days were great, and the gun was early FTR pure.

I didn’t feel guilty about shooting these Savages. That’s the critical transition between circling the black hole, and looking out, from it.

After the Savages, it was on to mainly custom guns. The Savages, at least this one, I cared enough about to polish up to 1500 grit paper.

How they shot and were made, are why I took that red pill.
David Joey-

Howdy !

Here was my first one.

Wichita WBR1375 single shot
Ken Burns M700 trigger 2oz conversion
Hart 24” .224” cal SS 1-14
Bishop walnut/walnut laminate
Leopoldo 6.5 X 20 w/ factory installed “ CPC “ reticle

Chambered in my “ .22-35 Remington “ wildcat, for anti-groundhog work


With regards,
357Mag
 

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David Joey-

Howdy !

Here was my first one.

Wichita WBR1375 single shot
Ken Burns M700 trigger 2oz conversion
Hart 24” .224” cal SS 1-14
Bishop walnut/walnut laminate
Leopoldo 6.5 X 20 w/ factory installed “ CPC “ reticle

Chambered in my “ .22-35 Remington “ wildcat, for anti-groundhog work


With regards,
357Mag

Nice looking wildcat, and a clean, classic rifle. A scope mounted at the correct height without additional compensation tacked onto the cheekpiece is one of those nice custom gun touches that quietly says a lot. Very cool.
 
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Nice looking wildcat, and a clean, classic rifle. A scope mounted at the correct height without additional compensation tacked onto the cheekpiece is one of those nice custom gun touches that quietly says a lot. Very cool.
David Joe -

Howdy, again !

Here’s my current anti-groundhog/target rifle…..

Same Wichita WBR1375 single shot action ( s/n 15 )

Sinclair custom recoil lug

Jewell 2oz

Broughton 29” SS “ 5C “ rifled 6mm 1- 8 “ Palma “ taper

“ Certainteed “ extruded aluminum “ H “ beam chassis

5/4 composite deck board fore end, butt stock; removable cheek locator strip

Galvanized conduit hanger, hand formed as trigger guard

Ken Farrell 20moa base + rings

Weaver T-36 XR, with 2.5X “ booster “

Chambered in my “DEEP 6“ wildcat ( 3rd wildcat of my own design to have chambered ).
95 T-MK shown seated.


With regards,
357Mag
 

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Nice looking wildcat, and a clean, classic rifle. A scope mounted at the correct height without additional compensation tacked onto the cheekpiece is one of those nice custom gun touches that quietly says a lot. Very cool.
David Joe -

Howdy !

Here’s my .35” calibre “ benchrest “ rifle, from amongst the last 2 yr of CT production

Marlin M-336 XLR .35 Remington

“ Ballard “ 12-groove rifling

Factory laminate stock

Molded in-place combo “ barrel block “ / fwd bi-pod, casting resin.
Hardware from HWI.

Weaver T-36 classic, w/ 2X “ booster “

Factory .35 Remington chamber, accepts my “ .35 Remington Neckless “ wildcat…

Pic shows “ Neckless “ case off to Rt side of a stock .35 Rem case w/ neck expanded
to accept “patched” bullet ( this example necked round has too much neck diameter to allow chambering ). 195gr swaged lead polymer-tipped .350” diam bullet, patched w/ one wrap of nylon self-stick DYMO label maker tape.

“ TORX “ 90* wrench outfitted with relocatable section of drinking cup plastic straw,
serves as breach seater tool.

With regards,
357Mag
 

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I started out in the accuracy game in the woodchuck fields of Northwestern, Pennsylvania in the late 1970s and early 80s. I bought a Remington 700 BDL heavy barrel 222 as my “red pill” gun. My hunting partner bought the same gun in a 22–250. From the first trigger pull I could see how much harder and further his gun could shoot than mine. My 222 was certainly accurate enough for what it was. That led me into getting a 220 Swift, which I have never looked back since, at least as far as woodchuck hunting goes. I entered some local 100 and 200 yard benchrest paper shoots with the 222 and did reasonably well but could not keep up to the PPC’s. After those shoots were ended, the rest of my time has been spent in the woodchuck fields until 2012. I had wanted to get into 1000 yard benchrest shooting but wasn’t sure how to go about it. A buddy and I visited a Ridgway rifle club VBR(varmint benchrest) shoot in 2012 and we both knew instantly we were hooked. Hooked might be an understatement! Probably $30,000 plus has been spent going down that rabbit hole. Don’t regret a second of it! It has fulfilled a longing inside of me. I’ve done some paper shooting with my friend that got into it at the same time I did which is what he enjoys most, but I enjoy the steel shooting more. I guess that is because of my background in woodchuck hunting. Who doesn’t like to tip something over at 1000 yards? All this thanks to that “red pill” 222 from years ago!IMG_4818.jpeg
 

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