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17 fireball vs 17 Remington

Yes, it was. First they said they could not do it, but one Saturday I called intending to leave a message and the owner answered. I told him what I wanted, and he said they could do it. I couldn't be happier, it shoots great.
 
spencerhenry said:
Yes, it was. First they said they could not do it, but one Saturday I called intending to leave a message and the owner answered. I told him what I wanted, and he said they could do it. I couldn't be happier, it shoots great.
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I appreciate that feedback. I’m gonna give them a shout. I assume you were shooting 30 grain?
 
I shoot 25gr hornady hollow points. Never lost a coyote, i did shoot a couple more than once, but with the tiny hole in the hide, it didn't matter. Shooting a 223 I was always hesitant to use a second bullet for fear of destroying the hide.
 
I have not tried the Hornady 25 gr vmax on coyote. I shot a few red fox with it and it performed well. I was using a 10 twist Shilen barrel(AR), groups were average, I noticed that the holes in the target were not clean/round. I figured it was a bullet instability just starting to show. Other 17 rem hunters have said the 25 vmax works well on coyote with 9tw barrels. I have plenty of 29-30 gr hp for my bolt gun(9tw) so that is my current setup and I never returned to the vmax. The Hornady 25 hp is a good coyote,fox bullet, still around for sale if watched for.
 
Oh if its between 17FB & 17rem
I would use the 17rem.
Why do i say that? One may ask
Ive owned both. Great rifles..i love the 17's
But the 17rem is an incredible cartridge.
It smacks!, hard and fast. Its absolutely devastating on small game.
But for coyotes i think is may be to damaging on the pelts.
(I could be wrong) but i believe ive heard some talk about the 17rem on coyotes and it goes in just fine but rips up the other side because the bullets shred apart hitting coyote sise game ,think of what they do to a prairie dog haha..it turns them into spaghetti sauce..now think of the exit side of your target.
I wish i could remember who it was.it was a common show on the internet like cartridge talk or what ever..it has 2 shooters on one side of the table, and 2 hunters or guides for guests on the other side of the table, and the talk about that stuff.
Its funny i noticed this topic post.
If i was hell bent on slaying those filthy varmint
I use a 22cal. I hate to even say this but the new 22arc comes to mind as a perfect 100-300yrd coyote specific cartridge..it just feels about right to me..you could go 6.5 grendal would crush those dogs with authority. The options are freak-n endless now a days making it a difficult decision.
If i had to pick it would be 17rem for the ft.lbs.
If i had a choice i would look at the arc (in a bolt gun NOT!, gas gun)
Good luck..seems to me, you have a tiger by the tail with this one..man what a hard decision
Glad its not me
 
bobcat93 said:
Oh if its between 17FB & 17rem
I would use the 17rem.
Why do i say that? One may ask
Ive owned both. Great rifles..i love the 17's
But the 17rem is an incredible cartridge.
It smacks!, hard and fast. Its absolutely devastating on small game.
But for coyotes i think is may be to damaging on the pelts.
(I could be wrong) but i believe ive heard some talk about the 17rem on coyotes and it goes in just fine but rips up the other side because the bullets shred apart hitting coyote sise game ,think of what they do to a prairie dog haha..it turns them into spaghetti sauce..now think of the exit side of your target.
I wish i could remember who it was.it was a common show on the internet like cartridge talk or what ever..it has 2 shooters on one side of the table, and 2 hunters or guides for guests on the other side of the table, and the talk about that stuff.
Its funny i noticed this topic post.
If i was hell bent on slaying those filthy varmint
I use a 22cal. I hate to even say this but the new 22arc comes to mind as a perfect 100-300yrd coyote specific cartridge..it just feels about right to me..you could go 6.5 grendal would crush those dogs with authority. The options are freak-n endless now a days making it a difficult decision.
If i had to pick it would be 17rem for the ft.lbs.
If i had a choice i would look at the arc (in a bolt gun NOT!, gas gun)
Good luck..seems to me, you have a tiger by the tail with this one..man what a hard decision
Glad its not me
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Did you ever load the 30 grain projectiles in the 17 FB. I have had 3 17 FB's over the years. 30 GR bergers did wonders in all 3 when loaded over IMR 8208 for 3600 FPS muzzle velocity. Accuracy & effectiveness on game did not disappoint.

What has been your favorite loads from either the 17 REM & or the 17 FB?
 
Leveraction35 said:
I love the 20Prac. But it’s a bad route for me to take being that I don’t handload yet
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If reloading will continue to be a factor for you then both 17 Rem & 17 FB may be non desirable selection's. As no factory loaded ammo really offers a optimum bullet in any of their offerings today for your task at hand.

For factory ammo the 223 Rem will be a stand out choice followed by the 204 Ruger for your task at hand.

Which ever cartridge you settle on, bullet selection will be a factor in terms of adequate penetration & pelt preservation. More good bullets to choose from for the 223 factory ammo than any other option out there. Yet keep in mind, they all have less desirable bullet options that should be avoided with the task at hand.

Now how many factory loads will shoot very accurate from your rifle. Perhaps none, Though the 223 offers more chances for a highly accurate factory load than anything else on the planet.
 
Leveraction35 said:
You 17rem handloaders, what is your cost per round if you use 25 or 30gr hollow points.
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Its easy to figure out bullets being biggest determining factor, custom 30gr gonna cost you about 50 cents a bullet, 1 pound of powder at 25gr is 280 rounds so about 20 cents a round, primers let's just call if 9 cents a round so discounting brass about 79 cents a round.
 
Should you consider the 17 Fireball a shooter would be using 25% less propellant so you would only be saving a nickel per round vs the 17 Remington. IMHO the larger savings to be realized with the 17 FB would be improved barrel life by a very significant factor.

I would expect the barrel life is costing 50 cents per round with the 17 Remington. Barrel life is likely closer to 20 cents per round with the 17 FB if we use $600 as a cost of a installed barrel.
 
To me this all comes down to whether you are a reloader or not? You said maybe a family member would help for a bit and you would set yourself up? If your going to load a 20 tactical or practical would be fine, or the 204 R for factory will do everything the other's will and maybe more if your a handloader. If it was me and not using for a colony varmint gun I would skip the 17 and 20's and go straight to a 223 AI or a 6x45.
 
SD guy said:
Should you consider the 17 Fireball a shooter would be using 25% less propellant so you would only be saving a nickel per round vs the 17 Remington. IMHO the larger savings to be realized with the 17 FB would be improved barrel life by a very significant factor.

I would expect the barrel life is costing 50 cents per round with the 17 Remington. Barrel life is likely closer to 20 cents per round with the 17 FB if we use $600 as a cost of a installed barrel.
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A valid point. But, since I will be using it exclusively for coyotes, and some fox thrown in there, I doubt I will ever fire 1000 rounds through it in my life. Wouldn’t you still consider Barrel life with that scenario?

in the other hand, would a 17 fireball be suited for a shorter barrel due to a lesser power charge? I was hoping to top out at 20” so it wouldn’t be too long with a can on
 
I would expect either would serve your task well. Just my opinion I suppose though I feel the lower capacity case may do somewhat better in the shorter barrel due to a more complete powder burn. Then, consider the source. I have never shot a 17 Remington.
 
If you don't hand load, the 17 Fireball is likely your best bet, being as Nosler seems to always have laid ammunition on hand. The 17 Remington, not so much.
 
titus123 said:
If you don't hand load, the 17 Fireball is likely your best bet, being as Nosler seems to always have laid ammunition on hand. The 17 Remington, not so much.
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I looked on shooting bot few weeks ago and 17 Remington was available several places, problem with 17 Remington or fireball only available with 20gr bullets that ive seen.
If you have any or want a 17 or 20 cal of any kind you better reload.
 
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