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Is there a point to sorting brass by firings for casual shooter?

Newish shooter and handloader. I got my first long range setup: a 28" CRB barrel, fuzion action in an mdt ACC elite. 105 hybrids, alpha brass, varget. Since I'm new, I just copy what I see, and what I see is people sorting their brass by number of firings. Now I'm wondering whether I need to bother. I started with 200 pieces of new brass. Gavin at UR did a torture test with dasher alpha brass and got 76 firings before failure. So assuming my barrel life is 2k rounds, so 10 firings of my 200 pieces, is there any good reason to keep track of firings and sort? I'd love to just have 3-4 bins of brass, instead of 10 for various firings at different stages of prep. Keep in mind I am asking as a casual shooter. No PRS, no BR competitions. I pursue precision as a hobby, hit the range with the kids and friends, and shoot at steel for fun. If I shoot this barrel out and get a new one, I think I'd start with new brass anyways...but even if I use this same brass for a second barrel, that would still mean getting another 2k rounds with firings 11 through 20, well below the firings UR got. Any other good reason to sort (for a casual shooter)?

Edit: I anneal with an AMP after every firing, in case that is relevant
 
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For comp and low use hunting rounds I just put a slash mark on the inside of the box for each firing.....and keep em in the same box until discarded.

For PD rounds, for which I may have 1000s of a caliber, I still put slash marks in the box but I clean and process batches of boxes together that have same number of slash marks.

I think it's important to keep them separated by firings for precision from a work hardening standpoint... especially if you don't anneal every firing. Neck tension and shoulder set back is gonna be more consistent with equal number of firings.
 
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I am not a competition shooter, just recreational target shooting and varmint / predator hunter.
I dedicate a group of cases to a specific rifle, rotate their use thus producing uniform firings and sizing's. This enables me to obtain more consistent sizing and case lengths within the group. I've done this way for over 50 years, and it is second nature. It's very simple to track.

Each cartridge box had a label and every time I reload the case, I record the number of times reloaded, e.g., 8.

I also record the number of times I trimmed the case and the last time, e.g., 2 @ 7 (translation, trimmed 2 times last trimming at reload number 7).

I prefer to manage my cases rather than have no idea how many times I reloaded or trimmed the case. I believe most shooters will agree, consistency is one of the keep elements in precision shooting. Equalizing the workload on your cases is one the steps in accomplishing that.
 
This is another one of those "it depends" answers....

If you tend to compare your own shooting style to that of someone who has to have several hundred match rounds for a travel match, that type of shooting may be different than yours.

How often you clean, or take sighters, or how critical it is to have a predictable dope, how does weather affect your tune, etc., are factors that go into your decisions.

So you have two issues to consider early as you learn. Can your type of shooting tell the difference between cases from a different processing batch? How important is it to you that your dope is stable from batch to batch and within a batch?

If those two factors are not important, then you don't need all the fussy habits or tests.

Not all ammo is for critical shooting. Some ammo is for short distances that make batch controls less critical, other situations will not tolerate any inconsistency in the loads.

After all, some shooting is considered "critical" and only testing will answer if the brass prep management is right, and some situations offer no "sighters" and the targets can shoot back.... There is everything in between.

Only you can answer. Enjoy the ride.
 
I only separate by brand, even when I didn't eons ago there was no difference in accuracy shooting pdogs.
I am a GH hunter and I shoot a lot at the range as a casual shooter. I have around 20 shots on my 6BR Lapua brass. I don't sort my brass just size and trim. I keep them in batches of fifty in labled MTM boxes. I keep shooting them until there is an obvious problem. Never counted #shots on each batch. Never had what I would call a case failure. If I get a split neck I anneal all 50 and keep going. Since 2009 I don't think I tossed more than 5 cases. Both rifles shoot under .400" groups.
 
For IDENTICALLY prepped brass (size, trim, primer pocket depth/deburr), weight indicates capacity, which affects pressure and MV with a given powder charge and seating depth.
For load development, I require all cases to be within about 1% of same weight, ideally 0.5%. With load worked up, i loosen this to around 2-3%, depending of course on the importance of the particular batch. This is what works for me, gives me peace of mind.

Some years ago, I identically prepped around 50 cases of mixed .223 rem brass, probably 5 - 7 different headstamps: same full-length sizing and trim-to lengths; primer pockets deburred and uniformed. I meticulously measured H2O capacity and the result was nearly perfect (inverse) correlation of case capacity with case weight, regardless of headstamps.
 
For IDENTICALLY prepped brass (size, trim, primer pocket depth/deburr), weight indicates capacity, which affects pressure and MV with a given powder charge and seating depth.
For load development, I require all cases to be within about 1% of same weight, ideally 0.5%. With load worked up, i loosen this to around 2-3%, depending of course on the importance of the particular batch. This is what works for me, gives me peace of mind.

Some years ago, I identically prepped around 50 cases of mixed .223 rem brass, probably 5 - 7 different headstamps: same full-length sizing and trim-to lengths; primer pockets deburred and uniformed. I meticulously measured H2O capacity and the result was nearly perfect (inverse) correlation of case capacity with case weight, regardless of headstamps.
That may be the case for small cases. However I once weighed 200 Lapua Rem 260 cases and there was no correlation with weight to capacity. If remember correctly one of the lighter ones had one of the largest capacities. I put the difference down to more brass in the cases bases or wall thickness.
 
TLDR: We have to give a rookie the best starting advice and let them develop. If they don't get started with learning to inspect their brass, they will never learn when a difference becomes big enough to flag it.

Since the OP is new, they will inevitably want to learn how sensitive they are in their own context to things like case weight and volume.

No need to confuse the thread with how case weight does or does not correlate to volume since you take the empty case weight to get the tare value when weighing the water-filled case. Any rookie who plans to shoot small down the road, had best get started learning what their components are doing as soon as possible.

Once you achieve your goals, it is often the case where you don't need to check things as often because you have already learned they are stable or don't affect you. You can then cut back on checking as often and maybe learn to spot check or just sample when new batches arrive. Till then... assume you will need to gather the skills and tools to inspect your brass prep.

It usually takes more than a 3 grain weight difference (within a common batch of brass) in something like a 5.56 case before we can see it on the target at 600 yards, and since that study has been run countless times there is no reason to confuse a newbie. He will need to decide for himself.

With studies of 556, 308, 30-06, etc., it has been fairly easy to show a good linear correlation between case weight and volume. The main point of dwelling on it for another minute is to say that the correlation coefficient does depend on having some significance in the weight difference before we would even see a volume difference.

In so many words, if you run a study and don't see a correlation, it is a good thing because that means your brass weight difference is likely in the noise and there is nothing to complain about.

On the other hand, if you are playing with mixed headstamp 223 or 308 brass for example, there is a fair chance you will eventually see a case weight difference, and that difference will correlate to volume. The real question then becomes is it important to sort out or can he even see it in his style of shooting?

A rookie needs to watch two ways. One is the big changes you can get when mixing brands of brass. A second way is to watch the difference within a common batch of brass. Those weight/volume changes are often different and may or may not matter to them.

If a rookie has a science/engineering background, we can speak about internal ballistics and sometimes we can show rough math to explain how things change with weight or volume. However...

While there is some easy math that shows how much of a bullet weight change is needed to see a difference on the target, there is no easy way to show how case volume affects velocity without resorting to complicated models.

That means details in brass prep that affect neck tension or case volume are better to test than to explain.

The OP will need to learn how much difference is too much and we can only share experience to suggest starting points. But first, we would need to know more, or at least I would....

In his post, all I know is that he is running a 105 grain bullet, but I don't think he has shared what cartridge he is running. If he did, I apologize for missing it, but that prevents a suggestion of when a weight or volume difference is too much and should be tested.

We might assume it is a 6mm, but if he wants better advice on case sorting, it would be good to share what case we are discussing.

If this is assumed to be a 6mm Berger 105 Hybrid, he doesn't need to sort bullet weight till he starts shooting Master or High Master at 600 or beyond because he won't see it.

If we assume a 6 BR variant, again, it takes a fairly big case weight difference before a rookie can demonstrate the difference at 600 yards, that is within a common batch. Change the headstamp and you should test.

Keeping his workmanship under control is important, and he should learn to track the vital stats on his components but not dwell on them too much till he gains experience. Learn to inspect your brass and track the vital dimensions. If you don't, then you will never learn.

When a new batch of primers, powder, bullets, or brass comes along, it should be at least roughly checked to see if there are any significant differences. It takes getting started with that discipline early to have a chance of learning when it is important later on. A rookie who plans on being good, should keep detailed load diary notes, as well as shooting climate notes.

A rookie needs to learn to set their own first order tolerances and goals. I recommend the OP measures his workmanship and includes a sample of his lightest and heaviest brass, and checks the volume too. That way, when he tests he will know if he can even see the difference. Carry on. YMMV
 
When the primer pockets get lose or the necks start to split, does it really matter how many times they have been fired?
Well, since we are just chewing fat... yes and no.

How is a rookie supposed to learn to plan without keeping track?
How do we teach the differences in reamers, brass, and load pressure, if we don't get started?

I realize not everyone cares or needs to know. The vast majority of folks in this world who own guns don't really care, and they are not on these forums.

Not trying to argue with folks who just don't care, but some of us were supposed to know these things and plan for them. Later on, as our retirements were approaching, we had to find newbies to teach about all these things because many of the ones who were supposed to cover the topic turned into flakes who didn't stick around.
 
I keep track of the firings on my M1A brass along with checking for cracks in cases to avoid digging a case out of the chamber due to head separation.
 
Yup you should know how many firings on each piece. I keep my fired cases in gallon ziplock bags with the number of firings on them on the outside. It just another variable to keep track of so if you have an issue.
 
If (when - if you shoot a lot) you have a case failure, it is common for that to signal that the other brass fired the same number of times may be at or close to the limit of firings it can take before also failing. Segregating your brass enables you to isolate such brass. Just because someone else got 70 firings (or whatever) on their brass has little meaning to your brass. The type of die you use, the amount of powder used, the size of your chamber, your barrel twist rate, the weight of your projectile, etc. all affect how long your brass will last. If I had a case failure, I'd not want to question the integrity of all of my brass - just the brass that is most likely to be similarly affected. You can't do that unless you segregate.
 
If (when - if you shoot a lot) you have a case failure, it is common for that to signal that the other brass fired the same number of times may be at or close to the limit of firings it can take before also failing. Segregating your brass enables you to isolate such brass. Just because someone else got 70 firings (or whatever) on their brass has little meaning to your brass. The type of die you use, the amount of powder used, the size of your chamber, your barrel twist rate, the weight of your projectile, etc. all affect how long your brass will last. If I had a case failure, I'd not want to question the integrity of all of my brass - just the brass that is most likely to be similarly affected. You can't do that unless you segregate.
Normally but not always.
Eg. I was given a 100 case of 223 loaded with 55gr Nosler BT ex a silent trigger which shot near the 50gr BT's I normally use.
How long they had been loaded heaven only knows but nearly half of the 100 box cracked necks on firing, a few along the neck but most around it indicating a really good bullet weld. :eek:
That brass is destined for scrap !
 

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