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22BR vs BRA vs BRX vs GT vs Dasher

I'm sticking with the AR for the closer stuff because it's cheaper for me to go that route meaning I should be able to have it ready by the start of next season. My original plan was to go with a bolt gun. You and I had talked about it, and I had everything ready to go. I was just waiting on my taxes to get done to make sure I didn't have any unexpected surprises. Well, there was an unexpected surprise. My wife changed positions at her job (RN, hospital) and they reset her withholdings to their default without us knowing about it and we ended up owing a little over $4k to Uncle Sam. Sooo... the funding for that project got re-assigned. I've run the numbers and I think I can be into a new AR upper in 20 Practical for around a grand with new brass and dies included. I've used an ARs before. I like bolt guns better for distance, but I've run my ARs out to 700 yds, and inside of 300 yds there is a big advantage to being able to run from a 30rnd mag and not having to cycle a bolt :)

Originally, I thought the 20 TAC was basically a 20 Practical AI. I didn't realize the shoulder was pushed back on the TAC. I think I'm sticking with the Practical just because the dies are cheaper, uppers and barrels are readily available, and a 40gr .204 vmax at +3700 fps should be more than enough for 400 yds.

The only reason I'm not really looking at the 223AI is because I don't feel like its enough of a step up in performance over a 20 Practical. If I was wanting ONE bolt action rifle for prairie dogs, a 223AI would be on my short list. Since I want at least 2 guns, I'm going with the AR in 20 Practical for shooting volume, and a bolt gun in a "middle" cartridge for when I want to stretch out a little farther. I realize, and even appreciate the idea that I can run a larger case and not push it as hard to get better case life, better barrel life, and often times more consistent accuracy, but its not in my nature. Even at 49 years old, if the book says 2900, I'm going to molly the bullets and see if I can get 3k....

As far as projectiles, I run mostly 53gr in my 223, but it likes the 75s too. Most of my misses are elevation, so I put a little more emphasis on speed than I do BC. For a midsize cartridge, I'm planning on shooting 75gr because they are economical, but there's a very good chance I'd end up running the newer 62 eldvt instead. In these cases, it should have about 1/2" more drift at 500 than a 75, but it should be dropping about 8" less.

I live in Indiana, and can only afford (already married) to get out west once a year for a 3 day hunt. From the bolt gun, I'll probably only go through around 300rnds per year so barrel life shouldn't be a huge concern. I've not been on very many towns that would let me shoot more than 700 yds. A 22CM is an option, but at this point I think it will be too expensive to feed to make it worth my while at the distances I'm actually shooting.


Add my barrel. Way under $1000.
 
I can't stand the accutrigger, and don't particularly care for any of their replacements, and I take a principled stand against rifles that don't have a traditional recoil lug I bought my model 12 to see if I could ever convince myself to stay with a single stage trigger, and the answer is no, not on a center fire rifle.

A good AR barrel is only $400, but by the time I add a gass block and a fitted barrel extension, I'm at $500. I have an upper that I could rebarrel, but for an extra $150 I can get an assembled upper that's ready to go. The rest is for new brass and an bushing die. Unfortunately, I don't have a bushing die for 223 yet. I don't really need the new brass, but if I'm going to be anal, I might as well go all out and make a diamond.
 
I can't stand the accutrigger, and don't particularly care for any of their replacements, and I take a principled stand against rifles that don't have a traditional recoil lug I bought my model 12 to see if I could ever convince myself to stay with a single stage trigger, and the answer is no, not on a center fire rifle.

A good AR barrel is only $400, but by the time I add a gass block and a fitted barrel extension, I'm at $500. I have an upper that I could rebarrel, but for an extra $150 I can get an assembled upper that's ready to go. The rest is for new brass and an bushing die. Unfortunately, I don't have a bushing die for 223 yet. I don't really need the new brass, but if I'm going to be anal, I might as well go all out and make a diamond.

I can't stand them either. :)

I had to give it a shot.
 
Given what you’ve shared, I think your next one should be a big 22 bolt gun. It’s meant for what you want to do. Given the state of the market now for the venerable 22-250, I say go 22 Creedmoor or 22 XC, depending on your preference, with an 8 twist barrel to shoot anything, but particularly the 75 eld or 62 eldvt. You’ll see a real difference in elevation on the long shots compared to your 223 and soon-to-be 20 practical. Also, just cause you can stuff a big pile of powder in those cases doesn’t mean that you can’t also find a lighter load that shoots to keep heat, wear, and cost down.
 
I can't stand them either. :)

I had to give it a shot.
I had to give them a shot too :) Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for Savage. Their 110 is an amazing platform for the $$. If it wasn't for the trigger, I'd love my Model 12 (It has a Timney in it), and my next build would start off as another cheap Model 12 on sale from Cabela's or basspro. I've been hunting with their muzzleloader since 2003 and IMHO, it's the best production muzzleloader ever built by a WIDE margin. I did collegiate smallbore and air rifle in the mid 90s and lead a team that was nationally ranked in the top 20. Those Anschutz triggers absolutely ruined me, so if I'm going to spend money on a rifle, I'm going to have to add an extra $300 to my budget just to make sure I don't hate the trigger.
 
I had to give them a shot too :) Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for Savage. Their 110 is an amazing platform for the $$. If it wasn't for the trigger, I'd love my Model 12 (It has a Timney in it), and my next build would start off as another cheap Model 12 on sale from Cabela's or basspro. I've been hunting with their muzzleloader since 2003 and IMHO, it's the best production muzzleloader ever built by a WIDE margin. I did collegiate smallbore and air rifle in the mid 90s and lead a team that was nationally ranked in the top 20. Those Anschutz triggers absolutely ruined me, so if I'm going to spend money on a rifle, I'm going to have to add an extra $300 to my budget just to make sure I don't hate the trigger.

Kauger Viper. I have a 5 percent off coupon code.


Check that out.
 
Given what you’ve shared, I think your next one should be a big 22 bolt gun. It’s meant for what you want to do. Given the state of the market now for the venerable 22-250, I say go 22 Creedmoor or 22 XC, depending on your preference, with an 8 twist barrel to shoot anything, but particularly the 75 eld or 62 eldvt. You’ll see a real difference in elevation on the long shots compared to your 223 and soon-to-be 20 practical. Also, just cause you can stuff a big pile of powder in those cases doesn’t mean that you can’t also find a lighter load that shoots to keep heat, wear, and cost down.

For me, that's step 2. Next spring I HOPE to build/assemble my first custom bolt action rifle. I want to start off with something in the middle first, and then add a 2nd barrel that's more along the lines of a 22xc or CM.
 
Kauger Viper. I have a 5 percent off coupon code.


Check that out.
That's the action that I want to use. In the past 3 weeks, I've paid the house insurance, car insurance (which doubled because my daughter got her DL last month), and we bought my daughter her first car. It's going to be December before I can scrounge up enough money to buy anything, and then I'm going to have to choose between a new AR upper in 20 Practical or a stripped Viper action. I'm going to go with the upper at this point, and push the Viper back to late April to make sure the tax man doesn't bite me again.
 

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