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New Barrel and Peterson 284 Brass Problem

I did not want oo higack the therad about 284 Lapua, but I did read to see if I could get any information on my current issue.

I bought a 284 off a forum member and it shot outstanding for another 1000+ rounds, but unfortunately the barrel went south on me last year. I ordered 2 new Bartlien 5R at 8.75 twist and just got them chambered with a straight PTG 284 Reamer. I was unable to get the original reamer or print so I went with what my smith had (and has run succesfully on other barrels).

I was using Lapua brass that Came with the original barrel and had no issues until later in life (8 -10 loads by me + a few originals). I was running 50.3 gr of H4350 behind a berger 140 Hybrid delivering 2750. So I had purchased 200 pieces each of Peterson and Lapua, as that was all that was available at the time. I decided to start with the peterson. Dropped down to 50 gr and 20 thou off the lands as my break in load. BAM -Heavy bolt lift and hard clickers, but no other signs of pressure on the primer (Rem 9-1/2) Velocities were wild from 2680 to 2810. So after the fact I discovered the peterson is 2-2.5 less H2o capacity, so knowing that and a quickload run I drop back to 49.0 and work up by 0.2. Same thing at 9=49.2. For funnies I loaded half dozen virgin Lapua at the original 50 gr and they ran and extracted perfectly, albeit only at about 2680, but again some wild velocity swings.

Now this is a first time for me starting out on virgin brass with a larger caliber, all my previous experience in competition shooting and loading was with a 223, I saw velocity swings on virgin brass, but nothing like this. Maybe it's not abnormal, but it sure was a surprise. I don't question my technique as in the previous barrel and loads I was able to keep my SD's under 10 consistently

Not really sure what to look at next, but taking it back to smith to check out. Any other thoughts anyone might have to steer me in the right direction would be appreciated. Sorry for rambling.
 
I did not want oo higack the therad about 284 Lapua, but I did read to see if I could get any information on my current issue.

I bought a 284 off a forum member and it shot outstanding for another 1000+ rounds, but unfortunately the barrel went south on me last year. I ordered 2 new Bartlien 5R at 8.75 twist and just got them chambered with a straight PTG 284 Reamer. I was unable to get the original reamer or print so I went with what my smith had (and has run succesfully on other barrels).

I was using Lapua brass that Came with the original barrel and had no issues until later in life (8 -10 loads by me + a few originals). I was running 50.3 gr of H4350 behind a berger 140 Hybrid delivering 2750. So I had purchased 200 pieces each of Peterson and Lapua, as that was all that was available at the time. I decided to start with the peterson. Dropped down to 50 gr and 20 thou off the lands as my break in load. BAM -Heavy bolt lift and hard clickers, but no other signs of pressure on the primer (Rem 9-1/2) Velocities were wild from 2680 to 2810. So after the fact I discovered the peterson is 2-2.5 less H2o capacity, so knowing that and a quickload run I drop back to 49.0 and work up by 0.2. Same thing at 9=49.2. For funnies I loaded half dozen virgin Lapua at the original 50 gr and they ran and extracted perfectly, albeit only at about 2680, but again some wild velocity swings.

Now this is a first time for me starting out on virgin brass with a larger caliber, all my previous experience in competition shooting and loading was with a 223, I saw velocity swings on virgin brass, but nothing like this. Maybe it's not abnormal, but it sure was a surprise. I don't question my technique as in the previous barrel and loads I was able to keep my SD's under 10 consistently

Not really sure what to look at next, but taking it back to smith to check out. Any other thoughts anyone might have to steer me in the right direction would be appreciated. Sorry for rambling.
Is that a new batch of Rem 9 1/2 primers?

I only ask because not long ago I got some and tried some for the first time with my favorite .308 load. I was expecting some difference in the velocity, but is was, as you put it, "wild" all over the place. It wasn't a problem with my loading as I loaded up some more of the same and again, they were "wild". I even tried a different powder with a load that does fine. It too was just "wild". I was getting SD's from 15-33 and ES's between 40 and 90 fps. Going back to my CCI primers and they shot as expected with SD's in the mid single digits.

Afterwards, I tried some Rem 7 1/2's in some Lapua and Alpha brass, and it performed GREAT. I can only conclude that the lot of 9 1/2's I got ( lot # G58133305) is a really bad one.
 
Go Back to using Lapua brass. Peterson gave me the worst cikkers i ever had in my 284 Shehane.
This may not be your problem but it sounds real familiar Sir.
I went back to Lapua and all is good. just my 2c
 
Is that a new batch of Rem 9 1/2 primers?

I only ask because not long ago I got some and tried some for the first time with my favorite .308 load. I was expecting some difference in the velocity, but is was, as you put it, "wild" all over the place. It wasn't a problem with my loading as I loaded up some more of the same and again, they were "wild". I even tried a different powder with a load that does fine. It too was just "wild". I was getting SD's from 15-33 and ES's between 40 and 90 fps. Going back to my CCI primers and they shot as expected with SD's in the mid single digits.

Afterwards, I tried some Rem 7 1/2's in some Lapua and Alpha brass, and it performed GREAT. I can only conclude that the lot of 9 1/2's I got ( lot # G58133305) is a really bad one.
New as in since they became available again late last year - YES, however I picked them above the CCI and Federals I also have since the first 400+/- loads out of the brick were really good and holding sub 10 SD's and closer to 5. BUT just to be sure I also shot another batch using Federal's and got the same wild swings.

Now what I have noticed in all of the "wild" velocities are HIGH, the medians are pretty much in line with what they should be per the quickload simulation. My process is to measure on RCBS chargemaster short 0.1 grains and trickle up to target +/- 0.02 gr on my creedmore scale. If there was an issue in my process I would expect it to fall on the low side, not always on the high side. Back calculating the charge to meet the observed velocity increase would require an "overcharge" of roughly 1.2 to 1.5 grains, which seems like a pretty big miss to me.
 
Go Back to using Lapua brass. Peterson gave me the worst cikkers i ever had in my 284 Shehane.
This may not be your problem but it sounds real familiar Sir.
I went back to Lapua and all is good. just my 2c
I can't disagree with you here, but the rub is - there ain't none to be had. Fortunately I have 200 pieces that will last a while, hopefully till more is available. I bought the Peterson as what I thought would be a good alternative/backup since they are US based and in the hope that future availability might be more predictable.

What I have not done up to this point is the 6.5/284 neck up option. That is a possibility since this seems to be slightly more common, but what I have "heard" is that the neck up option is a recipe for donuts, and not the good ones from Krispy Kreme.

Thanks
 
What I have not done up to this point is the 6.5/284 neck up option. That is a possibility since this seems to be slightly more common, but what I have "heard" is that the neck up option is a recipe for donuts, and not the good ones from Krispy Kreme.

Thanks
I shot necked up brass for several years before Lapua came out with the 284 brass. Depending on the FB in the reamer you have, the bullet (180's) will sit above the donut if you get them.
 
will sit above the donut if you get them.
No problem here with necking up and the brass is good.
The base on the Petersen brass is so hard that it will not size back to fit your chamber.
The bonus is the primer pockets last a long time but I didn’t need the aggravation associated wifh the super hard bolt lift.
. ( Clicker issue )
 
No problem here with necking up and the brass is good.
The base on the Petersen brass is so hard that it will not size back to fit your chamber.
The bonus is the primer pockets last a long time but I didn’t need the aggravation associated wifh the super hard bolt lift.
. ( Clicker issue )
This is something that I had expected as a potential cause after seeing some of the work that Peterson did to improve the pocket life on the 6.5 Creed's several years ago. Probably where the extra brass is that accounts for the reduction in internal volume, the web area.

To wit- I am going to try some that I sized down a bit more with a small base die and see how they function, hopefully starting out a tad smaller in that area they will extract fine, if not then I'm in the same boat as you, I can't live with beating the bolt handle open regardless on how long the primer pockets last, need some middle ground. I'll post back on the results after I get back from vacation.

It would be interesting to hear some feedback from Peterson on this issue with some suggestions. As if this supposition made here it accurate this would be a real, real, bad bummer for anyone that tried this for one of their old autoloader Wnchesters where factory ammo is not available.

Thanks for the feedback.
 
Go Back to using Lapua brass. Peterson gave me the worst cikkers i ever had in my 284 Shehane.
This may not be your problem but it sounds real familiar Sir.
I went back to Lapua and all is good. just my 2c
Had the same problem with my straight .284. Clickers with the very first firing. Went back to Lapua, no issues. I would have tried to make the Peterson work, but I had Lapua so I didn’t have to go to the trouble and didn’t want to put forth the effort.
 
What is the B line measurement on your reamer? Some reamers are too tight at the base. I got one years ago that was 0.499 at the base and that one was murder! I use 0.502 now on all my 284 reamers and it works well. I haven't tried Peterson brass but I don't have clickers with anything else I have used.
 
What is the neck thickness of the Peterson versus the Lapha? More is generally not better
Neck is right at 0.001 thicker on average, meaning 0.002 total. I know the reamer is a no turn neck, and there is no evidence of the neck binding or hanging up after firing. I do see mild rub marks about an inch up from the rim on a few that were really stiff to open.
Turning them to match the Lapua is an option but I want to make sure that any other issue is resolved first to try to stay away from donuts later on.
 
What is the B line measurement on your reamer? Some reamers are too tight at the base. I got one years ago that was 0.499 at the base and that one was murder! I use 0.502 now on all my 284 reamers and it works well. I haven't tried Peterson brass but I don't have clickers with anything else I have used.
unfortunately I don't know that. It is a standard PTG 284 reamer. However we did measure the fired cases and it is right on 0.5000 at the base.
 
Is that a new batch of Rem 9 1/2 primers?

I only ask because not long ago I got some and tried some for the first time with my favorite .308 load. I was expecting some difference in the velocity, but is was, as you put it, "wild" all over the place. It wasn't a problem with my loading as I loaded up some more of the same and again, they were "wild". I even tried a different powder with a load that does fine. It too was just "wild". I was getting SD's from 15-33 and ES's between 40 and 90 fps. Going back to my CCI primers and they shot as expected with SD's in the mid single digits.

Afterwards, I tried some Rem 7 1/2's in some Lapua and Alpha brass, and it performed GREAT. I can only conclude that the lot of 9 1/2's I got ( lot # G58133305) is a really bad one.
What was the 9 1/2s lot #?
 
What was the 9 1/2s lot #?
Afterwards, I tried some Rem 7 1/2's in some Lapua and Alpha brass, and it performed GREAT. I can only conclude that the lot of 9 1/2's I got ( lot # G58133305) is a really bad one.
Did I get it wrong? From what I gathered in the past, I was thinking that "G" number shown on the tab of the brick was the lot#???

On further inspection, I see imprinted numbers on the 100 count tray sleeves and the number for these bad 9 1/2's is 2837.
 
What was the 9 1/2s lot #?
My lot # is 2834. But again I saw the same thing with the Federal 210's, and the Remington's performed very well in previous loadings with the old Barrel, Brass Load combination, so although a possibility, I think it is not the primary culprit in this case.
 
Your chamber is more than likely right at .500 perhaps a .005 over and that's too tight for Peterson.,
mine is .501 and its too tight. Lapua sizes back down real well and its not a big deal necking up 6.5x284
you stay well above the donut and its a non issue.
 
As mentioned, if you can get Lapua 6.5/.284 brass, don’t fear the donut. Just throat the chamber to .235-.250” and let it eat. With a 180 hybrid seated anywhere closer than 0.030” off the lands your shank will never touch the donut.
 

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