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Micron expander mandrel vs separate mandrel process

Hello everyone,

I was wondering about your thoughts on using the BulletCentral Micron Expander Mandrel in the Micron FL sizing die compared to a separate expander mandrel process.

In the past, I've always read that it was better to remove the expander ball and use an expander mandrel, but I have seen that BulletCentral offers an expander ball for their sizing dies now.

What are your thoughts?
 
What are your thoughts?
There are so many styles of shooting and loading, crossed with brands of brass and batch to batch variations... that it is good to have options in your tool set.

When you consider the different demands of each type of loading, it should become clear that they have many similarities but those types can benefit from slight differences in the methods and tools.

It could be said that when a traditional sizing die with expander ball was viewed, there were examples of them where runout was blamed on the tool. Rightly or wrongly, the suggestion to remove the ball and instead size back up with a mandrel was good.

Now, I mention this because not all expander balls cause problems. Sometimes the details of the die are to blame for over-constraint that did cause problems, sometimes it can even be due to the poor quality of the brass. Other times, there is nothing wrong with an expander ball set-up.

In times past, we used to take off-the-shelf expander balls, and modify them to have finer controls on the sizing process. In some stems, there is an ability to either align them or float them to prevent them from creating a problem.

When they work well, and you have fine controls, they do save an extra step and there is no reason under these circumstances not to use them. On the other hand, if they cause problems, or if the costs or troubles of getting them in fine steps to offer better controls isn't working out, then why not have the mandrel ready?

One can even come up with a sizing process that only necks down and doesn't size up at all.

I think you will have to decide for yourself how many different tools and methods you want at your disposal and try them to see which ones suite you. More good choices are better than no choices. YMMV
 
If you insist on using an expander mandrel I'd do it as a separate step in your reloading process
But if you're turning your necks I'd eliminate the mandrel altogether and set my neck tension with a bushing only.
I would add that not all bushings are created equal (and I've tried them all). I don't want to mention any brand names but some have caused major concentricity issues that went away when a straight, quality bushing was used.
 
I would add that not all bushings are created equal (and I've tried them all). I don't want to mention any brand names but some have caused major concentricity issues that went away when a straight, quality bushing was used.

You should mention brand names. If some bushings are straight and others are not that straight, it would be nice to know what you found. Gaining knowledge is why we come to this forum.
 
IMO, if you're not going to neck turn. I would only use a body die to size your brass and use a LEE collet die to size your necks, my 6.5Grendel auto loader for example, I don't turn the necks on this brass, I give it 3 30deg rotations in my LCD, neck runout is 1k or less using this method YMMV
 

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