Nationwide carry permit?

[joshb]

My Texas Concealed Carry permit covers ALL the states I want to visit! The rest won’t see a dime of my vacation money!

 

[Rube Shooter]

Im not the sharpest crayon in the box but Im concerned about all of the folks entering our country right now. With they be allowed to carry a weapon? Concealed or open? Either way I dont favor the idea of making that legal.

I would imagine a good number of the folks entering this country illegally won't have to worry about buying a gun legally as they probably were given instructions where to show up a retrieve their weapons.

 

[Knotwild]

Walking down the path of constitutional carry is like walking through a mine field. They just passed constitutional carry here in SC, but they left common sense out of it. I just talked with a deputy minutes ago and here is a summary of what he has to face and some of what's included in the law.

1. If you have a gun stolen and you do not report it, you can be charged.
2. If you are 18, you can carry, but not buy a pistol. (Kids around that age are usually the ones involved in
shootings).
3. If a deputy pulls you over, he cannot ask you if you are carrying. You can have the gun anywhere in the
car.
If the deputy sees a gun, he is not supposed to ask you to secure it or inquire about it.
4. If he sees a known troublemaker in public with a gun, concealed or not, he cannot question him about it.
5. If you do shoot someone while constitutionally carrying and you are prosecuted and lose, your sentence
will be double that of someone who has a concealed carry permit and is prosecuted and loses.

So, my friend is supposed to walk up to a car he pulled for a good reason, and basically ignore the fact that there is probably one or more guns in the car and not be able to control what goes on with the gun, except as a reaction to a threat. He said that he can pull a car and handcuff everyone in the car to insure his safety and detain them until he is finished questioning them or addressing the reason for pulling them. And that is what he is likely to do - and I don't blame him.

So, constitutional carry is good in the sense that we have gained some of our rights back, but in other ways, it is bad in that any untrained/un-knowledgeable idiot is lawfully capable of being involved in any number of very bad scenarios.

I'm not advocating giving up these freedoms, but in SC, none of the constitutional people will be taught the legalities of using a gun for self defense or the defense of others. I truly hope that more people that I think are smart enough to use constitutional carry responsibly, but given the state of this nation today, I doubt it.

That's now the law in my state and other states that allow constitutional carry have different laws. I'm not against freedom. So I'm not debating anyone who reads this. It's just the state of affairs where I live. I'm afraid constitutional carry is going to protect and enable some of the drug dealers and gang bangers.

Like I said, it's a slippery slope.

 

[divingin]

No such thing as yet. ANd considering all the democrats that got elected in the last election, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Won't happen until my state (California) is kicked out.

I think there are 3 CCW's you can get (if I remember correctly Arizona, Oregon and Virginia?) that will cover something like 42 of the 50 states. And no, California is not among them.

 

[rr2030]

IMO it is unlikely Republicans in Congress will ever be organized /lead/ solidified enough to pursue and pass the necessary legislation.

 

[Xerothermic]

Walking down the path of constitutional carry is like walking through a mine field. They just passed constitutional carry here in SC, but they left common sense out of it. I just talked with a deputy minutes ago and here is a summary of what he has to face and some of what's included in the law.

1. If you have a gun stolen and you do not report it, you can be charged.
2. If you are 18, you can carry, but not buy a pistol. (Kids around that age are usually the ones involved in
shootings).
3. If a deputy pulls you over, he cannot ask you if you are carrying. You can have the gun anywhere in the
car.
If the deputy sees a gun, he is not supposed to ask you to secure it or inquire about it.
4. If he sees a known troublemaker in public with a gun, concealed or not, he cannot question him about it.
5. If you do shoot someone while constitutionally carrying and you are prosecuted and lose, your sentence
will be double that of someone who has a concealed carry permit and is prosecuted and loses.

So, my friend is supposed to walk up to a car he pulled for a good reason, and basically ignore the fact that there is probably one or more guns in the car and not be able to control what goes on with the gun, except as a reaction to a threat. He said that he can pull a car and handcuff everyone in the car to insure his safety and detain them until he is finished questioning them or addressing the reason for pulling them. And that is what he is likely to do - and I don't blame him.

So, constitutional carry is good in the sense that we have gained some of our rights back, but in other ways, it is bad in that any untrained/un-knowledgeable idiot is lawfully capable of being involved in any number of very bad scenarios.

I'm not advocating giving up these freedoms, but in SC, none of the constitutional people will be taught the legalities of using a gun for self defense or the defense of others. I truly hope that more people that I think are smart enough to use constitutional carry responsibly, but given the state of this nation today, I doubt it.

That's now the law in my state and other states that allow constitutional carry have different laws. I'm not against freedom. So I'm not debating anyone who reads this. It's just the state of affairs where I live. I'm afraid constitutional carry is going to protect and enable some of the drug dealers and gang bangers.

Like I said, it's a slippery slope.

He said that he can pull a car and handcuff everyone in the car to insure his safety and detain them until he is finished questioning them or addressing the reason for pulling them.

I don't see how that is legal for a traffic violation. Your buddy better ask for clarification on his interpretations.

 

[Eagle Six]

So, my friend is supposed to walk up to a car he pulled for a good reason, and basically ignore the fact that there is probably one or more guns in the car and not be able to control what goes on with the gun, except as a reaction to a threat.

As you state, different rules for different states. Arzina has a permit CWP and is Constitutional Carry. However LE can secure a weapon(s) regardless if they are CC or CWP until he/she has completed their business. If it is a simple common traffic violation, must LEO's will not handle the firearm. However he has a right and duty if he/she has a suspicion of other wrong doing.

In our current state of affairs I am not in favor of National Carry Permits.

 

[cmysix]

We are constitutional carry down here

Yes! I live in one of those states also, no permits and if I am in another, no requirement there ether.

 

[deep south]

Walking down the path of constitutional carry is like walking through a mine field. They just passed constitutional carry here in SC, but they left common sense out of it. I just talked with a deputy minutes ago and here is a summary of what he has to face and some of what's included in the law.

1. If you have a gun stolen and you do not report it, you can be charged.
2. If you are 18, you can carry, but not buy a pistol. (Kids around that age are usually the ones involved in
shootings).
3. If a deputy pulls you over, he cannot ask you if you are carrying. You can have the gun anywhere in the
car.
If the deputy sees a gun, he is not supposed to ask you to secure it or inquire about it.
4. If he sees a known troublemaker in public with a gun, concealed or not, he cannot question him about it.
5. If you do shoot someone while constitutionally carrying and you are prosecuted and lose, your sentence
will be double that of someone who has a concealed carry permit and is prosecuted and loses.

So, my friend is supposed to walk up to a car he pulled for a good reason, and basically ignore the fact that there is probably one or more guns in the car and not be able to control what goes on with the gun, except as a reaction to a threat. He said that he can pull a car and handcuff everyone in the car to insure his safety and detain them until he is finished questioning them or addressing the reason for pulling them. And that is what he is likely to do - and I don't blame him.

So, constitutional carry is good in the sense that we have gained some of our rights back, but in other ways, it is bad in that any untrained/un-knowledgeable idiot is lawfully capable of being involved in any number of very bad scenarios.

I'm not advocating giving up these freedoms, but in SC, none of the constitutional people will be taught the legalities of using a gun for self defense or the defense of others. I truly hope that more people that I think are smart enough to use constitutional carry responsibly, but given the state of this nation today, I doubt it.

That's now the law in my state and other states that allow constitutional carry have different laws. I'm not against freedom. So I'm not debating anyone who reads this. It's just the state of affairs where I live. I'm afraid constitutional carry is going to protect and enable some of the drug dealers and gang bangers.

Like I said, it's a slippery slope.

Nope treat everyone as they are armed.its really that simple.

An armed society is an honest society.

maybe not in the hood where they are competing who is baddest with no consideration for life but I stay away from there much as possible .

Nothing should change how a cop approaches anything.same way it keeps cops level headed and does same for criminals if everyone has a firearm and criminals know it crime goes down.
Really that simple

 

[Fclassfool]

Walking down the path of constitutional carry is like walking through a mine field. They just passed constitutional carry here in SC, but they left common sense out of it. I just talked with a deputy minutes ago and here is a summary of what he has to face and some of what's included in the law.

1. If you have a gun stolen and you do not report it, you can be charged.
2. If you are 18, you can carry, but not buy a pistol. (Kids around that age are usually the ones involved in
shootings).
3. If a deputy pulls you over, he cannot ask you if you are carrying. You can have the gun anywhere in the
car.
If the deputy sees a gun, he is not supposed to ask you to secure it or inquire about it.
4. If he sees a known troublemaker in public with a gun, concealed or not, he cannot question him about it.
5. If you do shoot someone while constitutionally carrying and you are prosecuted and lose, your sentence
will be double that of someone who has a concealed carry permit and is prosecuted and loses.

So, my friend is supposed to walk up to a car he pulled for a good reason, and basically ignore the fact that there is probably one or more guns in the car and not be able to control what goes on with the gun, except as a reaction to a threat. He said that he can pull a car and handcuff everyone in the car to insure his safety and detain them until he is finished questioning them or addressing the reason for pulling them. And that is what he is likely to do - and I don't blame him.

So, constitutional carry is good in the sense that we have gained some of our rights back, but in other ways, it is bad in that any untrained/un-knowledgeable idiot is lawfully capable of being involved in any number of very bad scenarios.

I'm not advocating giving up these freedoms, but in SC, none of the constitutional people will be taught the legalities of using a gun for self defense or the defense of others. I truly hope that more people that I think are smart enough to use constitutional carry responsibly, but given the state of this nation today, I doubt it.

That's now the law in my state and other states that allow constitutional carry have different laws. I'm not against freedom. So I'm not debating anyone who reads this. It's just the state of affairs where I live. I'm afraid constitutional carry is going to protect and enable some of the drug dealers and gang bangers.

Like I said, it's a slippery slope.

I support the 2A butt......

 

[divingin]

He said that he can pull a car and handcuff everyone in the car to insure his safety and detain them until he is finished questioning them or addressing the reason for pulling them.

I don't see how that is legal for a traffic violation. Your buddy better ask for clarification on his interpretations.

It is "detention" and "control" of those involved while investigating, intended to increase safety of the LE agent involved (who is likely outnumbered.) It is not arrest. It is a sort of gray legal area though.

 

[WSnyder]

sort of gray legal area

Definitely. They better have a good reason if they purport it’s beyond a simple traffic stop to do that. Courts have ruled on this and what they are allowed to do. If they pull you over for a simple traffic stop they can ask you to leave your vehicle but they cannot detain or prolong the stop beyond the time it takes to process the traffic stop. They can’t legally delay you to wait for a drug dog to arrive to sniff your car or anything else like that.

 

[Xerothermic]

It is "detention" and "control" of those involved while investigating, intended to increase safety of the LE agent involved (who is likely outnumbered.) It is not arrest. It is a sort of gray legal area though.

I don't disagree with the safety aspect, but when it comes to traffic stops cite the person and let them move on with their day. I try not to be a dick, but these cops all tricked out in elbow and knee pads, cutoff leather gloves, low slung pistols and mirrored sunglasses with massive egos just rub me the wrong way. They all think they're Sherlock Holmes or something looking for Moriarty . I'm respectful until they're not.

I've always thought LE has an advantage when pulling over a car in that he is standing and mobile while the occupants are seated and constrained. However, I would like to see two LEOs per car at night for safety reasons. I would also like LE to identify themselves and to state the reason for the stop before requesting paperwork. But that's just me.

I am pro law enforcement but would like to see more professionalism in the profession. Not everyone, by far, is out to shoot your ass.

An opinion nothing more.

 

[jxb]

Won't happen until my state (California) is kicked out.

I think there are 3 CCW's you can get (if I remember correctly Arizona, Oregon and Virginia?) that will cover something like 42 of the 50 states. And no, California is not among them.

Pretty sure Oregon isn't one of those, it's likely Utah. I have CHL in Oregon and they were clear that they don't honor any other state, so I don't know why any other state would honor Oregon's. Most folks here that want more coverage get Oregon and Utah which we can get from the same class or at least the one I went to the county puts on. One of our boys went to a private place and he got Oregon, Utah, Arizona which covers quite a few states.

No idea why Oregon won't do agreements with other states, the instructor didn't know. I'm sure once the Californicators get enough votes to change our state constitution we might as well just rename to California North2. I only say North2 because it's looking like they will get Washington before Oregon. Luckily it seems based on 114 that they are only just past 50% and they need a 2/3rds vote to change our state constitution.

 

[dryhumor]

I can appreciate the law they just passed (SC resident as well), but there are now people that may be carrying without proper operator training. Not to mention the basics of the legal use of deadly force.

Every time I think about people that carry, I’m reminded of all the impacts on the walls, ceilings, baffles, and benches in range areas. And remember several times when someone was nice enough to sweep a loaded weapon across my body.

 

[divingin]

I've always thought LE has an advantage when pulling over a car in that he is standing and mobile while the occupants are seated and constrained.[/quote}

True, but the occupant(s) have the advantage of concealment. The officer can't really see what's going on until reaching the window.

However, I would like to see two LEOs per car at night for safety reasons. I would also like LE to identify themselves and to state the reason for the stop before requesting paperwork.

[/QUOTE]

California passed a directive that "Do you know why I pulled you over?" is no longer a valid opening line. Too often used to find a justification for a non-justified stop.

An opinion nothing more.

Pretty much what all these posts are.

 

[Xerothermic]

True, but the occupant(s) have the advantage of concealment. The officer can't really see what's going on until reaching the window.

California passed a directive that "Do you know why I pulled you over?" is no longer a valid opening line. Too often used to find a justification for a non-justified stop.



Pretty much what all these posts are.
[/QUOTE]
True.