'Rust' armorer found guilty of involuntary manslaughter?

[Thauglor]

Who are 'they'? Only one person fired the gun.
'supposedly' there you have it!
Please list all these 'lot of things'. I am curious what they are and how that changes the homicide.


Why limit it to son/daughter, why not also include mother/father, brother/sister, uncle/aunt, etc.? If your safe gun handling skills are based on relationship or if you like a person, you have no business handling a gun as your handling will be bias by your emotions. The fact Baldwin is an asshole doesn't change the fact he is guilty of homicide. How I, or you, feel about him doesn't change his guilt.

It's obvious by they I meant baldwin,
it is also obvious that yes you could change my son/daughter statement to anything in a family, doesn't change the argument I was making that you so clearly missed and started to argue my typos/semantics in writing, try to argue the actual argument

my point was people are biased and a lot are acting just like the left liberals

 

[Thauglor]

Has that been established?

If you really think that Baldwin brought in live ammunition, loaded it into the gun and shot someone on purpose, I have some ocean front property in Arizona I want to sell to you

 

[M-61]

If you really think that Baldwin brought in live ammunition, loaded it into the gun and shot someone on purpose, I have some ocean front property in Arizona I want to sell to you

I didn’t say that. I didn’t even imply it.
I asked a question.
Maybe you missed my question mark.
It looks like this (?).
Additionally, if you or anyone else believes they know what goes on in Baldwins mind you have a serious mental disorder.

 

[Thauglor]

I bet 90% of actors don't check to see if there are real/live rounds in a revolver or semi auto. The percentage is probabaly higher. that shoot was about as dangerous as can be imagined by the sound of things. The older guy got off super light. guilty as shit IMO. Guys were using the revolver to shoot live rounds during breaks.

And probably most here wouldn't be checking it either after doing a few films

This whole "I always check every gun" is bullshit, you put down an unloaded gun you just cleared and pick it back up, I bet you most people won't clear it again, if you do do it enough times and you eventually won't clear it either

Also, in let's say a jon wick movie where he fires let's say 5,000 rounds, you want every actor to check every bullet to be a blank? At some point you hire an "armorer" to do this for you

 

[Thauglor]

I didn’t say that. I didn’t even imply it.
I asked a question.
Maybe you missed my question mark.
It looks like this (?).
Additionally, if you or anyone else believes they know what goes on in Baldwins mind you have a serious mental disorder.

No but I can use some critical thinking to make assessments when there is no evidence either way. An actor, who doesn't have a gun hobby and I can safely bet he didn't bring out live ammunition.

But if you find evidence that goes against my assumption, I will freely admit I was wrong in making it

So far it looks like a tragic accident whom I blame whoever brought the live ammunition on set, without it the actor would do his thing without the accident occuring

 

[Mark W]

If I let someone hook a trailer to my truck and then I take off down the high way before the trailer comes loose and crashes into someone because the hitch pin wasn’t installed, who is going to be liable?

I’ll venture to guess that it wouldn’t be the guy that hooked up the trailer that gets in trouble. The driver would be in a world of trouble though.

 

[Thauglor]

If I let someone hook a trailer to my truck and then I take off down the high way before the trailer comes loose and crashes into someone because the hitch pin wasn’t installed, who is going to be liable?

I’ll venture to guess that it wouldn’t be the guy that hooked up the trailer that gets in trouble. The driver would be in a world of trouble though.

But if there was a person who was hired and trained to hook up trailers, and you were only a driver who was paid to drive, would you still blame yourself or would you point the finger?

I will bet your lawyer would be telling you blame the hired specialist

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

He lied about pulling the trigger, is it the only lie? Why did he lie? Seems to me Baldwin wanted a couple convictions(someone else is responsible) prior to his trial, his press people/lawyers likely believe that will increase his chance of an acquittal.

 

[Eagle Six]

It's obvious by they I meant baldwin,
it is also obvious that yes you could change my son/daughter statement to anything in a family, doesn't change the argument I was making that you so clearly missed and started to argue my typos/semantics in writing, try to argue the actual argument

my point was people are biased and a lot are acting just like the left liberals

It was not obvious to me you used the incorrect word 'they', so I asked the question and apparently you think I did so to argue. You are wrong, I asked to find the answer. I now have the answer, you meant Baldwin was given the gun. So how about the 'it depends on a lot of things', you haven't listed those lot of things. Before you jump in a different direction I am asking to better understand your position. I doubt there are things that will change my mind, but I am open minded enough to listen, so what are these things?

I'm not arguing with you, I am questioning some of your statements to better understand and stating my opinion. But now that you brought it up what is your argument? I know your opinion as you have stated it, but not sure what you are supposedly arguing about.

As for your, "my point was people are biased and a lot are acting just like the left liberals", and you are not biased, and you are not acting like a left liberal?!?! I agree in part with this statement, 'people are biased', and I would totally agree if you had added the word 'some'. The rest of it, may I suggest you use a mirror.

 

[nakneker]

Baldwin was the CEO and actor who pulled the trigger, there is guilt there in one way or another but that’s for a jury to decide not me, just my opinion. The armorer shares the responsibility. Baldwin will forever be marked by the incident and in the end that may be all he suffers but Im sure the limbo he’s been in since the incident has not been enjoyable, nor should it be.

 

[Xerothermic]

In this world of make believe, I would like to see well thought out justice served. Labeling what happened a homicide is true by definition. But that's just a label in that you have to call it something. Does Baldwin bear responsibility for what happened? Of course, but so do many others.

I still feel the bulk of guilt should fall on the armorer. Up to 90% if not more. The other 10% would be those that handled the gun prior to discharge. IMO.

 

[Thauglor]

In this world of make believe, I would like to see well thought out justice served. Labeling what happened a homicide is true by definition. But that's just a label in that you have to call it something. Does Baldwin bear responsibility for what happened? Of course, but so do many others.

I still feel the bulk of guilt should fall on the armorer. Up to 90% if not more. The other 10% would be those that handled the gun prior to discharge. IMO.

Well put

 

[Murray Brook]

I'm having trouble grasping some of what is posted. Sounds like something you would read or hear from the mainstream media. Blame everyone but the one who pointed the firearm and pulled the trigger.

 

[TTE]

True but they were given a supposedly cold gun, it depends on a lot of things

If I hand you a gun and tell you it's unloaded, would you point it at your head and pull the trigger?

How many things does it depend on now ?

 

[Steveb]

I watched a couple of TV cop shows last night. There were 3 instances that the person with the firearm was pointing it directly at the camera before supposedly firing. I wonder if each of those actors checked their firearms for real ammo??? It is true that the actor Baldwin is an A-hole and realized the crap he was in so he lied. However, Baldwin owner manager totally failed in his responsibilities to his people and should be severely punished.

 

[Thauglor]

How many things does it depend on now ?

Only on how much I trust you

 

[TTE]

I'm having trouble grasping some of what is posted. Sounds like something you would read or hear from the mainstream media. Blame everyone but the one who pointed the firearm and pulled the trigger.

Maybe AB's defense will tread heavily on the
left's "Guns kill people" narrative.

 

[TTE]

Deflecting the blame will be the defense.

The prosecution only needs to prove a few things (just a couple below)

Do you own any firearms ?

Are you familiar with the gun used in the movie ?
If not why not.

Have you taken a gun safety course ?
If not why not

 

[Infrequent Shooter]

I didn’t say that. I didn’t even imply it.
I asked a question.
Maybe you missed my question mark.
It looks like this (?).
Additionally, if you or anyone else believes they know what goes on in Baldwins mind you have a serious mental disorder.

I think testimony pretty much said other parties/not Baldwin brought live rounds on to set. There were people shooting that revolver during the day with live rounds. I think the revolver hammer was modified to enable faster SA shooting. The FA expert testified during the trial of the case the hammer had likely been modified. I do believe a Colt style single action revolver can be fired if hammer is pulled back and released on a live cylinder. Freedom Arms had one, maybe two, lawsuits over hammer catching on clothing and firing revolver. The FBI managed to break the hammer, probably by striking it w hard object. It is a Pieta model revolver, supposedly a copy of SAA with firing pin on hammer.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

How many things does it depend on now ?

Lol! One...and it can't be fixed!! There are NO exceptions to Rule Number 1, regardless of how much I trust you or anyone else. That's why it's called a RULE! As in...NO deviation. "Depends" are diapers.
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