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.22 Creedmoor Website... classic

WSnyder said:
Apples to oranges. How can one have this conversation while attempting to compare with the wildly different bullets? Of course the CM wins with that match up. Kinetic energy doesn't kill things, bullet performance does.
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Not so much. The .22 Creedmoor just has the twist to stabilize heavy for caliber bullets, where the other comparable cartridges do not. With the exception of the 6.5 Creedmoor, Which I see as poorly represented by the data.

The Swift and the .22-250 have always had the drawback of loose twists. They stabilize light bullets at hyper-velocity. But, those, obviously, don't carry very far. Not nearly as far as a high BC, skinny caliber 224". That means long and heavy for .224.

Added: The loose twists seems to be an American thing, because God forbid we ever follow what the Swede's did in 1894, which is to twist a barrel in 1-8.44" (215mm) ,Or Germans with their 1-9.4" (240mm) We've always been set on the loosest twist possible, because that could make the best group @ 100 yds. Nevermind it won't keep the bullet stable out to 1k or beyond. Two different types of accuracy. This is what's driving the "fairy-dust/anti-Creedmoor" people. They won't accept that for far too long we have not twisted our rifle barrels here in America tight enough to stabilize heavy for caliber bullets that maximize a firearm capability. By coming out with new tight twisted cartridges, we can now just go to the store shelf if we want to do some long range shooting. Whereas before, we had to change our barrel and do the handloading.
 
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sandwarrior said:
Not so much. The .22 Creedmoor just has the twist to stabilize heavy for caliber bullets, where the other comparable cartridges do not. With the exception of the 6.5 Creedmoor, Which I see as poorly represented by the data.

The Swift and the .22-250 have always had the drawback of loose twists. They stabilize light bullets at hyper-velocity. But, those, obviously, don't carry very far. Not nearly as far as a high BC, skinny caliber 224". That means long and heavy for .224.

Added: The loose twists seems to be an American thing, because God forbid we ever follow what the Swede's did in 1894, which is to twist a barrel in 1-8.44" (215mm) ,Or Germans with their 1-9.4" (240mm) We've always been set on the loosest twist possible, because that could make the best group @ 100 yds. Nevermind it won't keep the bullet stable out to 1k or beyond. Two different types of accuracy. This is what's driving the "fairy-dust/anti-Creedmoor" people. They won't accept that for far too long we have not twisted our rifle barrels here in America tight enough to stabilize heavy for caliber bullets that maximize a firearm capability. By coming out with new tight twisted cartridges, we can now just go to the store shelf if we want to do some long range shooting. Whereas before, we had to change our barrel and do the handloading.
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Several gunmakers offer the 22-250 in 1-8 1-9 twists now
 
Nothing new. Greener's book, written in early Victorian time, suggests 200 yd deer kills with his ( and only his) percussion shotguns.
 
The problem in using one for deer boils down to common sense.

I truly think people believe the name Creedmoor has some sort of magic dust attached to it. A lot of people locally call them bleedmoors, whether that boils down to bullet selection, shot placement, or bad judgment I don’t know. I watch more deer and let more deer walk than a lot of people see. I have no pressure to shoot, and won’t shoot if there is a tiny bit of doubt. Plus, blood trailing a deer is a PITA.

It always boils down to bullet selection, shot placement, and common sense, regardless of what caliber Creedmoor it is.
 
dryhumor said:
The problem in using one for deer boils down to common sense.

I truly think people believe the name Creedmoor has some sort of magic dust attached to it. A lot of people locally call them bleedmoors, whether that boils down to bullet selection, shot placement, or bad judgment I don’t know. I watch more deer and let more deer walk than a lot of people see. I have no pressure to shoot, and won’t shoot if there is a tiny bit of doubt. Plus, blood trailing a deer is a PITA.

It always boils down to bullet selection, shot placement, and common sense, regardless of what caliber Creedmoor it is.
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Most are loaded with hornadys shitty bullets I've got a friend with a tracking dog and he says over 50% of his tracks on wounded deer are from the 6.5 Creedmoor using hornady bullets and piss poor shot placement. I've come to the conclusion that these people think shooting the Jesusmoore makes you some kind of sniper or something.
 
Fclassfool said:
If you have to buy your ammo off the shelf you don't need a fast twist we like to reload around here that's where you want a fast twist 50 and 60 gr will shoot fine in those guns anyways
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If you are going to shoot long range and you don't have reloading capabilities, you need to get your ammo from a store. So, you aren't the person to be telling people they can't have fast twist rares.

And, FTR, I shot last month with my nephew out in Nevada to 1930 Yds. His 6mm CM and 6.5 CM both got hits with factory ammo. He is a reloader, but wanted to see how factory ammo would do.

Based on what I've seen from Hornady, they'll make ammo for the 22 CM that can hit accurately as well.
 
sandwarrior said:
If you are going to shoot long range and you don't have reloading capabilities, you need to get your ammo from a store. So, you aren't the person to be telling people they can't have fast twist rares.

And, FTR, I shot last month with my nephew out in Nevada to 1930 Yds. His 6mm CM and 6.5 CM both got hits with factory ammo. He is a reloader, but wanted to see how factory ammo would do.

Based on what I've seen from Hornady, they'll make ammo for the 22 CM that can hit accurately as well.
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I'm not shooting a 22-250 in long range matches plus to be competitive you have to reload it's great all the creedmoor fan Bois can shoot factory ammo what's your angle here just trying to argue that your creedmoor is better? :rolleyes:
 
sandwarrior said:
Show the ammo makers where you can go buy 80+ gr. high BC ammo in a store off the shelf.
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I’ve seen through the years, companies that will do custom ammo for people. Never paid it any attention other than noticing them. I’m pretty sure there are some out there. No guarantees that unless they have your rifle for load development that it wouldn’t be hit or miss.

I know of one rifle builder that does or did do load development for rifles he built, there are likely others. I have a friend that considered getting into custom ammo, until he looked at the possible liabilities involved and the hoops to jump through.

22CM the 80 grain loads are in stores and online. There is always the possibility that your barrel may not shoot it well. You may find a certain ammo that shoots really well, but is in the process of being discontinued. Or, it becomes so popular that it’s nearly always sold out.

For the cost of 4-6 boxes of ammo to try out, you are nearly into a complete reloading kit.

ETA I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 22-250 load over 60 grains.
 
Are the factory loaded 80 grain bullets something suitable for hunting or are they an long range match bullet that will not expand? Even if it is a hunting bullet does the creedmoor have enough speed and energy to expand one at that distance?
 
There absolutely nothing wrong with a creedmoor, what gets me is wisdom that was developed over many lifetimes is discounted as BS, because a millennial read some where that a 22 (any22) would be the best choice for humanly taking a deer at 1000yds.
 
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