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Electric Cars -- anyone own one?

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TaperPin said:
The cost of a new battery isnt paid to a new buyer any more than the cost of a gasoline engine would be.
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If I’m considering buying a vehicle that will soon after purchase have a known cost (scheduled maintenance and/or wear item replacement) either the seller is going to have the action(s) performed or I’m deducting the cost from my offer. Either way, as the buyer I’m not paying.
 
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I believe the batteries are required to have an eight year 100k mile waranty.
I test drove a Ford etransit work van today, I liked it, but a 56k van with a 112 mile range
is going to be a tough sale for most. For me it has enough range and would save 400 bucks a
month in fuel. I am going to get a used one (35k ish) next tax cycle
 
rwj said:
If I’m considering buying a vehicle that will soon after purchase have a known cost (scheduled maintenance and/or wear item replacement) either the seller is going to have the action(s) performed or I’m deducting the cost from my offer. Either way, as the buyer I’m not paying.
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That sounds like a good idea - great idea. When someone is about to buy a used hybrid I’d say it’s extra important to have a mechanic look it over, especially the health of the battery banks, and he can give you an idea if any are about to take a crap, or it all looks healthy. The car computer tracks battery health so it’s a simple task of plugging in a diagnostic tablet - much like checking compression in a combustion engine.

Most hybrid drivers I know get 200k out of their cars without major repairs, so I don’t think there are as many short lived batteries as the memes would suggest.

If anyone has a lightly used hybrid with 100k and a “bad battery” I’d gladly pay scrap price for it, but unfortunately repair shops keep the price of these car pretty high to either scrap out or simply repair the bad banks and resell, just like they would with a used gas vehicle.
 
abishai said:
I believe the batteries are required to have an eight year 100k mile waranty.
I test drove a Ford etransit work van today, I liked it, but a 56k van with a 112 mile range
is going to be a tough sale for most. For me it has enough range and would save 400 bucks a
month in fuel. I am going to get a used one (35k ish) next tax cycle
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A remodeling client about 10 years ago had a full electric car - one of the first gen Chevy Volt - and I asked all kinds of questions since it had nearly 200k miles on the original batteries.

He’s a bright guy and enjoys a forum just for that car. Apparently some people have made it to 300k on the original battery. He said the easiest way to explain why some batteries last a long time and others don’t has to do with the discharge and charge rates the battery is subjected to.

A more detailed explanation from a battery designer, said you can think of a rechargeable battery like a piece of cloth or rope that is pulled and relaxed. Every time it’s pulled a few of the 100,000’s of fibers break, until eventually it breaks. The harder the rope is pulled the faster it breaks. At a microscopic level, discharging breaks a few connections and charging breaks a few - higher loads or faster charging does more damage.

A slow charge overnight at home is easier on the battery than a quick charge at a public charger. Driving like a little old lady is easier on the batteries than a lead foot.

A friend of ours that drives a full electric 100 miles or so a day, pays an extra $175 per month on the electricity bill.
 
This last week a couple of stories have been circulating in Canada. One is a Nissan, 2016, been waiting over a year for a battery, Nissan has finally made an offer to buy the car apparently. The other one is about two different Hyundai's, both 2022's, that gor wrote off for damaged batteries, one ran over a fallen off exh on the road, but the damage is what appears to be negligible damage. both stories are documented. Seems like insurance companies will probably be having something to say about even insuring one of these EV's with a setup like that, alone raising rates on them substantially for the ones sold already, next renewal could be a shocker. Then there are fires and where people park could come into play, raise house and vehicle rates? I can see dealers taking a hard look at this type of situation too, with the chance of vehicles being written off at say 2-4yrs because of batt damages and cost, and insurance costs, word gets around.


 
I always thought the Koch brothers hated electric cars since they spent a bunch of money poo pooing them, now I see they have invested $1B in lithium battery tech companies. Lol :)



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It won’t be long before the politicians and influencers the Koch brothers have bought and paid for flip flop their message and start encouraging electric cars. It’s so hypocritical I’m laughing my ass off!
 
TaperPin said:
A remodeling client about 10 years ago had a full electric car - one of the first gen Chevy Volt - and I asked all kinds of questions since it had nearly 200k miles on the original batteries.

He’s a bright guy and enjoys a forum just for that car. Apparently some people have made it to 300k on the original battery. He said the easiest way to explain why some batteries last a long time and others don’t has to do with the discharge and charge rates the battery is subjected to.

A more detailed explanation from a battery designer, said you can think of a rechargeable battery like a piece of cloth or rope that is pulled and relaxed. Every time it’s pulled a few of the 100,000’s of fibers break, until eventually it breaks. The harder the rope is pulled the faster it breaks. At a microscopic level, discharging breaks a few connections and charging breaks a few - higher loads or faster charging does more damage.

A slow charge overnight at home is easier on the battery than a quick charge at a public charger. Driving like a little old lady is easier on the batteries than a lead foot.

A friend of ours that drives a full electric 100 miles or so a day, pays an extra $175 per month on the electricity bill.
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I would never plug my Chevy Bolt EUV into anything more powerful than my 40 amp charger I installed at my house.
 
When is this "very bad idea" going to cease~? We are well beyond the time to divert all this ill spent money from the exploitation of EVs to the development and production of hydrogen power ICEs. It's just so obvious that hydrogen power is the way forward and even be carried to the production of electrical energy The element is so abundant, and great strides have be made recently in producing efficient and cost effective hydrogen producing technology that is already there. Cummins, Toyota, Renault, Honda, Hyundai, Ford, Mazda and BMW are already well along the path to making this technology economically feasible.
The transition to hydrogen power will produce a huge change to our economy and will generate significant changes in our cultural. And "no", the Hindenburg didn't "blow up", it burned rapidly. Hydrogen doesn't blow up, it burns rapidly just as natural gas burns~!
 
Hydrogen power will cost how much? You think EGVs are expensive? Wait till the Hydrogen power cost comes down then jump on the band wagon, along with the cost of replacement EV batteries.
$50K to $75K + for a new EV and another $20K+ for a replacement battery, that ISN'T in stock?? :confused: Sure, jump right on it. :oops:
And at replacement time, hidden battery recycle cost?? You won't even feel it. (much) :eek:
 
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