Tuner weight

[10XSHOOTER]

The DSB tuner weighs 1.375 oz. The EC v2 tuner weighs 4.0 oz. The Harrells tuner weighs 8.0 oz. The Ezell Tuners weighs 5 or 7.0 oz. Could not find a weight for the Holeshot tuner, but expect around 8.0 oz like the Harrells tuner
Does tuner weight make a tuner easier to tune? Or does weight make a difference?

 

[BoydAllen]

I think that for optimal performance a tuner's weight needs to reflect the length and stiffness of the barrel that it is designed for.

Citing an example that I am familiar with, I remember reading an account of a shooter who had tried one of the behind the muzzle twin, threaded washer types, on a short range benchrest HV rifle. He mentioned that he did not get the desired effect until he added more weight in the form of a third "washer" (my term).

There is another factor. If you carefully examine the very fine work of Varmint Al, you can see that he uses an eight ounce weight at the muzzle of a HV rifle to retard the rise of the muzzle so that all bullets will exit before the barrel reaches the top its swing, creating what others have called positive compensation, He also showed that by simply lengthening the barrel that the same thing could be accomplished. I think that this accounts for the light weight of some tuners that were designed for long barrels. In those cases the effect is only being adjusted rather than created. Even if compensation may not be fully created due to rifle design constraints, it seems that there are some benefits to tuners that fit within those requirements.

 

[Link]

Do you have to move a heavy tuner less than a light one to get the same results? Are tuner - brakes as good as a regular tuner?

ty Don.

 

[BartsBullets]

Do you have to move a heavy tuner less than a light one to get the same results? Are tuner - brakes as good as a regular tuner?

ty Don.

Yes, The heavier the tuner the less you have to move it. I have not yet found a tuner break that I cared for.
Bart

 

[Link]

I have not yet found a tuner break that I cared for.
Bart

Because they don't tune well or the noise?

ty Don

 

[BartsBullets]

Because they don't tune well or the noise?

ty Don

They don’t tune well.

 

[Pete Wass]

My experience with tuners is quite varied. I have a high classed 177 pellet rifle I made a tuner for, a 1oz weight that I can slide the length of the barrel. It tunes the barrel roughly half way between the front of the action and the muzzle, only there. I have been using tuners for a dozen years or more on BR rifles. I've been through a lot of them. What I have found is it doesn't take a lot of weight to tune even an HV barrel, 3 oz will do it easily. Erik Cortina's new series of tuners are, I think, 2,5 oz and they will tune barrels.

Mike Ezell found the way, as far as adjustment is concerned; small amounts of movement. My HV 30 BR has a Beggs on it. Very slight movements are all it usually takes to keep it in tune, I mean just barely moving it. Love is where you find it.

I know a guy who has a 52 Winchester .22 RF and has 37 pounds of tuner at the muzzle on a 1.5 straight barrel. I've shot the rifle. Did he stop the barrel? Well, he doesn't win every match he shoots in so the tuner obviously isn't the answer. If he could move it, perhaps but so do the other tuners out there.

 

[Pete Wass]

They don’t tune well.

I found the same was true of "Air Strippers" used on Air Rifles. Added nothing and were poor tuner weights.

 

[Fuj]

What I have found is it doesn't take a lot of weight to tune even an HV barrel, 3 oz will do it easily. Erik Cortina's new series of tuners are, I think, 2,5 oz and they will tune barrels.

Biting my tongue on that ?? I'm shooting the Cortina V-2 alongside Mike's
PDT. I don't need to move the PDT as much as the V-2. The V-2 I am using
had to have a required barrel adapter which is now screwed on tight and
part of the barrel to be tuned. The actual tuner part is 2.5 ounces not counting
the internal spring and it's washers, which are now headed to the land fill !!

 

[AckleymanII]

Yes, The heavier the tuner the less you have to move it. I have not yet found a tuner break that I cared for.
Bart

Bart, I had some very exceptional results with a RAS Tuner brake on a 6 XC, which to date is the most consistently accurate rifle I have ever fired, including dozens of 6 ppc barrels.

My first tuner was not intended to be a tuner, late 80's. I wanted to reduce muzzle flip on my unturned blank, 243 AI shooting 70's at 3850. The barrel was threaded 32TPI, and I made a huge collar with a single set screw in the collar, collar was made out of Brass. I threaded about 8" of the barrel, plus a long heavy Muzzle break. I wanted to see if the position of the collar on the barrel would change muzzle climb so we could detect hits better, which it did.

I had no idea or concept of a tuner at that time, never heard of one. I noticed the groups change in relation to the position of the 2" piece of brass that was 4" long on my barrel. Then the groups got down to a single bullet hole. We did get a lot of reactions about the brass collar from the Ranchers as they came out to socialize with us on the dog town.

Later on, I bought a New Savage Pump in 30/30 in an auction for dirt cheap money. It took lots of effort to get 2.5" groups out of the Savage, then I put a Limbsaver Doughnut on the barrel, made a few adjustments in 1/2" increments, groups got down to 3/4". It was then that I thought that there maybe more to this Tunner thing.

 

[Pete Wass]

Biting my tongue on that ?? I'm shooting the Cortina V-2 alongside Mike's
PDT. I don't need to move the PDT as much as the V-2. The V-2 I am using
had to have a required barrel adapter which is now screwed on tight and
part of the barrel to be tuned. The actual tuner part is 2.5 ounces not counting
the internal spring and it's washers, which are now headed to the land fill !!

Thanks for the report. Great information. Are you saying you needed additional weight with the adapter or the adapter made using the tuner possible?

 

[Fuj]

The tuner part itself that turns, needs weight from my personal findings.
Someone else's findings may be way different. There is also another
aspect of the V-2 that I do not like, but someone else may love. What
I will say is.....My next tuner will be another PDT or hopefully it's updated
model that may or may not be in the works......Stay tuned

 

[BartsBullets]

Bart, I had some very exceptional results with a RAS Tuner brake on a 6 XC, which to date is the most consistently accurate rifle I have ever fired, including dozens of 6 ppc barrels.

My first tuner was not intended to be a tuner, late 80's. I wanted to reduce muzzle flip on my unturned blank, 243 AI shooting 70's at 3850. The barrel was threaded 32TPI, and I made a huge collar with a single set screw in the collar, collar was made out of Brass. I threaded about 8" of the barrel, plus a long heavy Muzzle break. I wanted to see if the position of the collar on the barrel would change muzzle climb so we could detect hits better, which it did.

I had no idea or concept of a tuner at that time, never heard of one. I noticed the groups change in relation to the position of the 2" piece of brass that was 4" long on my barrel. Then the groups got down to a single bullet hole. We did get a lot of reactions about the brass collar from the Ranchers as they came out to socialize with us on the dog town.

Later on, I bought a New Savage Pump in 30/30 in an auction for dirt cheap money. It took lots of effort to get 2.5" groups out of the Savage, then I put a Limbsaver Doughnut on the barrel, made a few adjustments in 1/2" increments, groups got down to 3/4". It was then that I thought that there maybe more to this Tunner thing.

The RAS is the best tuner break I have used.

Bart

 

[Ccrider]

The RAS is the best tuner break I have used.

Bart

Is he still in business?

 

[BartsBullets]

Is he still in business?

Not for sure. Have to ask some of the Florida boys.

 

[JEFFPPC]

I agree with Bart. I am a tuner guy, great tool. I have 1 tuner brake, sitting on a windowsill in my loading room. It is pretty non responsive.

 

[AlNyhus]

I don't have a lot of experience with a tuner....just the 2023 season on my 30BR HV gun with an Ezell PDT 7 oz. tuner. And some work years ago with the Ralph Stewart/Gene Beggs style tuner. While a well tuned up 30BR is probably the worst BR rig to use as an example of what a tuner does and doesn't (or will and won't) 'do', it showed me exactly what I was looking to see. Talking with competitors whose experience I respect at tournaments, the ones with less than stellar results with tuners had one constant...weight.

These are three shot groups on the test format that Mike recommended I run. I repeated this test multiple times to identify trends. Mike and I have friendly diverging ideas about some of this.
I'll be continung this with a different barrel for the 2024 season to see how it acts. The fun is in the learning and seperating the pepper from the fly poop.

 

[Pete Wass]

This is typically what one sees with tuners. There are sweet spots throughout a range and often one is a bit broader than the others. The trick is knowing when the rifle goes out of tune and how much to move the tuner to get back. The weather where I shoot most of the year is reasonably stable so one doesn't often see 30 BR's go out of tune but they sometimes do. A well known shooter friend has a system using temperature. He shoots many many sighters usually. Sometimes he takes his tuner off, out of frustration! I usually don't touch mine once I find a single bullet hole group in testing. I do know it "goes out' of tune occasionally though. The 6BR I've been futzing with however, is a different animal. I've won 4 matches with it in 1500 rounds through it. It's either a laser or not so good. I have 3 OZ of brass on it for weight, HBR barrel. The times I have won with it has been in switchy winds. When it's on, it shoots tighter than a 30 BR, IMHO but when it's off, well, it is almost embarrassing. Now, this is an HBR rifle so it adds another level of dumb S-_-- things to contend with. It is good in the wind though. All this spoken by a nearly 80 YO washed up, never was, shooter .

Pete

 

[Pete Wass]

I don't have a lot of experience with a tuner....just the 2023 season on my 30BR HV gun with an Ezell PDT 7 oz. tuner. And some work years ago with the Ralph Stewart/Gene Beggs style tuner. While a well tuned up 30BR is probably the worst BR rig to use as an example of what a tuner does and doesn't (or will and won't) 'do', it showed me exactly what I was looking to see. Talking with competitors whose experience I respect at tournaments, the ones with less than stellar results with tuners had one constant...weight.

These are three shot groups on the test format that Mike recommended I run. I repeated this test multiple times to identify trends. Mike and I have friendly diverging ideas about some of this.
I'll be continung this with a different barel for the 2024 season to see how it acts. The fun is in the learning and seperating the pepper from the fly poop.

I like that 14 number, I must say

Pete

 

[Fuj]

I agree with Bart. I am a tuner guy, great tool. I have 1 tuner brake, sitting on a windowsill in my loading room. It is pretty non responsive.

Jeff....Pretty much the same here. I picked up two of the spiral type
tuner brakes just in case I decided to go that way for another Ridgway
rifle. Your allowed a brake there but only the spiral type. I just give one
to Ethan as a freebie and the other, I cut off and pitched the spiral end
and put the tuner portion on Zach's CZ......I'll tell ya' a not so good tuner
story at the next match we meet.