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powder and exposure to air

nilebartram

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I was in the process of loading some brass. I filled the brass with the weighted amount of powder. Then I caught my wife's cold and did not seat the bullets. 5 days have passed. The brass was covered with a plastic container so my pet birds would not get in to it. Is the powder still good?
 
I was in the process of loading some brass. I filled the brass with the weighted amount of powder. Then I caught my wife's cold and did not seat the bullets. 5 days have passed. The brass was covered with a plastic container so my pet birds would not get in to it. Is the powder still good?
It all depends on what the atmosphere was like where those case sat for 5 days. Typically, moisture content for powder coming from the factory is around 40-50%, depending on the particular powder. If the humidity in the environment was substantially higher, or lower, that moisture content will likely have changed accordingly. Lower moisture content produces faster burn rate which can equal faster velocity and higher moisture content will be the opposite. If you're loading those cases where they're HOT loads, and the moisture content had dropped significantly, there could be an over pressure issue. Otherwise, there should be no other issue as additional moisture content from what you had would simply produce slower velocity and likely change POI from what you'd expect. . . particularly at distance.
 
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I can't add to what @Straightshooter1 has already said, he's spot on. What I will say is consider getting a humidity gauge for your reloading room if you don't already have one. Like he mentioned, I Iike to keep the humidity at around 50% in my reloading room.
 
How far we take "airtight" depends on the specification.

It is very easy to show that unless you use sealant, ammo is not airtight.

Having had many friends in all places of our country and other places in the world where hurricanes hit or ammo gets wet, they all found out.

My advice, protect it and store it well.
Right. So, if it's not air tight, how much does it matter what the % humidity is at the loading bench?
 
Right. So, if it's not air tight, how much does it matter what the % humidity is at the loading bench?
It's not air tight in this case because the OP said he charged the cases but did not seat the bullets. So the powder was exposed.

As for loaded ammo, I think it's safe to say it's air tight. I've seen ammo that's been left in the back of a friend's truck that was rained on for several hours. We took them apart assuming they were ruined...the powder was completely dry. I guess it's possible longer exposure or being completely submerged for a long period could be an issue, but this ammo was fine.
 
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Right. So, if it's not air tight, how much does it matter what the % humidity is at the loading bench?
Imagine the time constant. There is a rate at which the internal volume will change, and it is far from instant.

The temp cycles, the ambient temperature and pressure, etc., all affect how fast or slow, if any, change there is inside. So, we try to keep the starting point as close to "standard" as possible.

As for loaded ammo, I think it's safe to say it's air tight. I've seen ammo that's been left in the back of a friend's truck that was rained on for several hours. We took them apart assuming they were ruined...the powder was completely dry.
LOL, no. Far from air tight unless we use sealant, and your friend just got lucky.
 
Imagine the time constant. There is a rate at which the internal volume will change, and it is far from instant.

The temp cycles, the ambient temperature and pressure, etc., all affect how fast or slow, if any, change there is inside. So, we try to keep the starting point as close to "standard" as possible.


LOL, no. Far from air tight unless we use sealant, and your friend just got lucky.
You may be right, just going by that one experience. This ammo was in the rain most of the day before he realized it was out there.
 
Right. So, if it's not air tight, how much does it matter what the % humidity is at the loading bench?
I think a lot depends on the difference in atmospherics from where you load to where you take the cartridges (and how the transport container is sealed or not). The difference in atmospheric air pressure and the pressure within the cartridge will induce movement from the higher pressure to the lower pressure. If the outside atmospheric pressure is less, the movement of the cartridge interior air will move to the outside until it stabilizes. When bullets are seated, there's some pressurization of the air inside and movement will occur immediately, but to no effect. At low difference between the inside and outside pressures, the movement will be rather slow.

If you're one who is traveling by plane to a competition with preloaded ammo, it's a good idea to have the ammo in a sealed container where the very low pressure in a plane doesn't cause moving a lot of air out of the ammo then at the destination the higher pressure will leak into the case almost as fast. Then, how much moisture content is moved with that air exchange depends on how much that difference in humidity is involved before and after. But if your loading at a competition, then it doesn't matter.

For hunting, if you're someone who's in someplace like Denver and travels to a much lower altitude to hunt and you're there for a couple weeks of hunting, it just might matter if precautions are not taken.
 
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You may be right, just going by that one experience. This ammo was in the rain most of the day before he realized it was out there.
We test ammo and ordinance at specified pressures. We submerge the ammo and pump down the pressure to observe bubbles.

Commercial ammo or ammo that is unsealed, doesn't get out of the starting gate and leaks like a sieve.

If the temp goes from cold to hot with water on the gaps, that is one thing since the pressure in the cartridge will burp air out.

However, the next time the ammo cools off, the pressure in the ammo drops and if there is water on the capillary gaps, you can guess what happens next.

Not sure what kind of USAF experience you had with armory storage conditions, but I am guessing it didn't get direct rain or someone would have been busted. Ammo stored in Mil-Spec packaging or proper ammo cans, can survive hurricanes.
 
Not sure what kind of USAF experience you had with armory storage conditions, but I am guessing it didn't get direct rain or someone would have been busted. Ammo stored in Mil-Spec packaging or proper ammo cans, can survive hurricanes.
The Armory was dry, just not climate controlled, and with it being in Georgia, there were large humidity swings. Most of the ammo was stored in ammo cans, but lots were simply kept in magazines on racks and were handed out and turned in every shift.
 
I have all my cans sealed with ranrap on advice from a member here, If I was rich I would have a controlled climate reloading room and cat house, but I still would be ol shaky
 

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