What are the positive things of removing the Ejector from bolt? ( 700) style bolt

[hogpatrol]

Fly in the ointment here, what if the bullet is jammed OR the case neck isn't bumped enough for an easy closing bolt OR both? Aside that, I use Ernie's super light weight springs in all my 700s and clones.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Looking at that case catcher, that's a great set up.
I also was looking at that rest,from what I could see. It looks, interesting, what kind of front rest is this, if you don't mind me asking

That's a Raptor front rest. You really have to see it to believe how nice they are. By far the best rest I've had my hands on. I haven't tried the newest Seb but he changed his internal design to be more like the Raptor, believe it or not, as well as the folding aspect. Both fold up nice and compact. I'm sure the seb is good too but these are hugely better than any of the previous sebs, farleys or Lenzis that I've had or tried.

This thing can be set to essentially be frictionless. It's hard to get your head wrapped around what that actually is until you feel it.

 

[coldboreshot]

I have removed a few coils off the ejector spring on mine to just slightly lay the brass on the side of ejection port on some of my actions and reach in and pull it out

Same here. I trim enough spring to maintain tension for the pin to fill the gap and just "kiss" the brass head so I can pluck the case from the bolt by hand.

 

[Eagle Six]

I could see that some shooters with a combination of action, bolt, and chamber may experience a precision benefit by removing the ejector. Perhaps more so with a factory gun. I would have to see the extensive test results to determine why it was an advantage. I shoot my M700 without an ejector for case management, there is no difference in precision. But I wouldn't argue with someone that felt their accuracy was better without it, it's their gun shoot it as they like.

 

[VA_XTC_Shooter]

I don't see how the ejector tilts a round in the chamber. The ejector pushes forward on the base and shoulder seats in the chamber, being conical, it self-centers to the chamber wall around the shoulder.

Without the ejector, what is pushing your case forward and seating against the shoulder?

So one route, the ejector pushes case forward, the second route, the firing pin pushes case forward.

 

[WIB3]

In a nutshell, the ability to shoot 10 shots in HG in 1000yd Benchrest is foremost. The ability to catch the same conditions over a 10 shot string is on the mind of every competitor. Why would one take the time to pick injected cases is counterproductive in this discipline. Speed and tracking of one’s rifle is paramount. Been doing this for over 30 years and I have never seen anyone who was able to predict Mother Nature. She is ultimately is King at distance.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

In a nutshell, the ability to shoot 10 shots in HG in 1000yd Benchrest is foremost. The ability to catch the same conditions over a 10 shot string is on the mind of every competitor. Why would one take the time to pick injected cases is counterproductive in this discipline. Speed and tracking of one’s rifle is paramount. Been doing this for over 30 years and I have never seen anyone who was able to predict Mother Nature. She is ultimately is King at distance.

Same at short range too. Just relative.

 

[NC/Br Shooter]

I shot a few more rounds today with out the Ejector in Today's mission was to fine tune powder charge 28.7, 28.9 ,29.1. At 200 yards.
29.1 shot 2 five shot groups. .293. And .310
Very happy with those groups.
So I know now it definitely isn't hurting anything.

 

[JFrank]

A drop port would be pretty easy but otherwise a couple wood clamps and a towel will catch the brass from a dual port just fine. I have no time for picking brass out of the action while running a string, it’s just too slow for me.

 

[JFrank]

If the case is pressed to a side, then it snaps to slap the chamber on the other side on firing.
This, setting off an inconsistent vibration.

What vibration are you speaking of and how could this possibly be of any concern down range ?

 

[mikecr]

I don't have a name for chamber born vibrations, or any others.
I could re-review Harold Vaughn's Rifle Accuracy Facts, but really, I'm fine with the jest of it.

I picture an ejector setting up a similar condition to excess runout.
By excess, I mean a case cocked to exceed chamber clearances. That's when folks finally see runout affecting results. This, having nothing to do with bullet bore alignment.
If it's a light ejector force then maybe it won't matter. But if it's strong, maybe it will, and why would anyone ever need that?

And for the ~1sec it takes to pick a round, as opposed to searching for one as ejected, I'm good without ejectors.

 

[JFrank]

Mike,
I’m struggling with a response here and don’t mean to be snarky and I know you are a smart guy, but I can only picture a new reloader trying to follow that thought trail down a rabbit hole.
If I were even smart enough and lived long enough to come up with 100 things to worry about inside of a chamber with barely .001 case clearance on each side, that creates over 50,000 psi on ignition, possible case run out creating vibration from a tiny ejector spring would not make the list.

Jim

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Mike,
I’m struggling with a response here and don’t mean to be snarky and I know you are a smart guy, but I can only picture a new reloader trying to follow that thought trail down a rabbit hole.
If I were even smart enough and lived long enough to come up with 100 things to worry about inside of a chamber with barely .001 case clearance on each side, that creates over 50,000 psi on ignition, possible case run out creating vibration from a tiny ejector spring would not make the list.

Jim

I've been thinking along the same lines with several posts on this subject. When the clock is running and the flags are going everywhere, which is pretty normal...there are far bigger things to worry about, IMHO. FWIW, I have a dp and a RE eject Borden. Multiple bbls on both. Pretty consistently, the RE is THE rifle. And as mentioned prior, I'm running near full ejector spring pressure and a brass catcher with it. They both shoot very well, don't get me wrong. But if it comes down to which gun I grab for a single target and money on the line..for example..I'm grabbing my RE with full ejector spring pressure over ANY gun I've ever owned and pretty much any gun I've had in my hands in the last 20 something years. The two are really close to one another but the red gun with the ejector has been pretty fabulous, really, and it has a record that I'd put against just about any. It ain't broke. I'll leave it at that. I'll add...this stuff isn't new. I remember this debate more than once more than 15 or so years back. Always the same analysis of what if's but then the results are what they are. Yes, every little bit matters, a lot in this game. All I can say is that if I could tell the difference, after all these years(paled by many), I promise I'd tell ya and you'd see me shooting a different set up to back it up.

 

[mikecr]

I focus on something that another reloader doesn't worry about, and they shoot as good or better.
Does that happen to you?
Does it mean you're wrong?

 

[NC/Br Shooter]

A drop port would be pretty easy but otherwise a couple wood clamps and a towel will catch the brass from a dual port just fine. I have no time for picking brass out of the action while running a string, it’s just too slow for me.

Do drop ports have Ejectors, ? Or do does the brass just drop ? Sorry, I know about these actions, but haven't never ran one.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Do drop ports have Ejectors, ? Or do does the brass just drop ? Sorry, I know about these actions, but haven't never ran one.

No ejector. It just drops

 

[NC/Br Shooter]

No ejector. It just drops

I must be missing out then. Probably what I need to get at some point.

 

[6.5 forever]

The ejector can and will cock a loaded round to the opposite side.

Just from ejector vs. non-ejector tests, a rifle is ALWAYS more accurate without an ejector!

We have seen an accuracy change of as little as .060 to as much as .500 or more between an ejector to no ejector, so it definitely does make a difference.

Thank you for posting. More to think about?