Running a local match,... how to deal with muzzle brakes?

[Dgd6mm]

What would make it better is the shooters with Brakes would be responsible for setting up the barrier and removing it. if the Club has enough room in their shed to store it, fine. If not, the shooters would have to bring it and leave with it.
Match directors already have enough to do.

There is no reason it can't be this way.
If you're to flipping lazy to lend a hand, even if it's to help for anything, even if there is no profit in it for you, then you do not need to be there!
The exception would be if you're handicapped one way or the other.

 

[stevieb92]

What a shit show of a thread. Guns are loud. Who cares if it has a brake or not? They are all loud. If you can't handle it, take up pickle ball with your white New Balance sneakers.

 

[JFrank]

There was a time a few years ago where someone posted a video of something like that. Often called a” shooting tube”. As simple as a plastic barrel lined with foam. Since it’s not attached to the firearm, it’s not considered a suppressor. They actually work pretty well.

“Shooting tube range suppression “ is a good search.
Here’s where that photo came from.

Range noise suppression

We live out of town quite a ways and recently had a new neighbor move in across the road. I’ve been shooting on my property for a little more than ten years and it’s suddenly become a problem...even while shooting suppressed. I’d like to keep the peace as best I can and install some sort of...

www.snipershide.com

I suppose if you wanted to punish the guys with brakes, it should be steel or concrete with no foam

How well could one watch their wind flags though these objects ?
It seems that even general observations of surrounding conditions would be restricted quite a bit but perhaps you could share your insight ?

 

[dellet]

How well could one watch their wind flags though these objects ?
It seems that even general observations of surrounding conditions would be restricted quite a bit but perhaps you could share your insight ?

Not a lot of experience, or insights. Witnessed one being used and only took a few shots myself. Was more curious about noise abatement.

Seeing flags will depend on a lot of things. The closer the flag, the harder it is to see. Tube diameter and length as well as how close you set up makes a difference. I can see where prone might be a problem inside 25 yards. May not be able to get the flag high enough to have much meaning.

With that said, a club I shot, at had a novelty shoot a couple times a year. One of the shots was prone through a hollow log. With proper set up, the target was easy to see and shoot, but it did take time. It probably would not be something you would want to set up and take down for relays.

The barrel I shot through was more or less permanent, at least the stand was. Flags were also permanent. So it worked quite well, bring out the barrel, set it on the stand, set your rest on the marks and shoot. Someone’s private range.

There is a certain amount of tunnel vision, but never thought of trying to figure out field of view at certain distances. Not that interested in building one.

 

[JFrank]

I couldn’t picture myself packing a hollow log around. Lol
The barrel would at least be lighter, if I could get over the optics of walking up to the firing line with that in my cart.

 

[Mulligan]

I am supportive of whatever leads to better precision and or accuracy.

To that end, I support the use of brakes.

We have a match this weekend, the brakes will be on a separate relay or we will provide ample space between the brakes and non. The reason, when you double with a shooter with a brake, it does not help your group. Is it worse than when you double with a shooter without a break, I have not seen a good study on that so I do not know. However, when I see the cross hair move on my target when the guy beside me shoots, I suspect that has to have an affect on the flight of the bullet.

We will flip a coin for which group is in what relay and have fun while exercising our 2nd Amendment Rights.

CW

 

[foxguy]

Just an observation, I watched a fellow shooter with a 300WM shooting off of a Bench, I was standing to the rear of him probably 2-4 ft back and probably 3-4 feet to the side. When he fired his rifle the blast knocked my hat off of my head. I don't think I would want to be sitting next to a Braked rifle on a Bench adjacent to the shooter. I have heard other shooters say that they have had stuff blow off of their benches while trying to Shoot adjacent to a braked rifle shooter. Because of this I support Braked Rifles shooting on a separate relay from non braked rifles. It's not only the Noise.

 

[LiveFire]

Depending on the brake you were standing in about the worst place possible when theyre fired. I imagine that sucked.

 

[jackieschmidt]

What a shit show of a thread. Guns are loud. Who cares if it has a brake or not? They are all loud. If you can't handle it, take up pickle ball with your white New Balance sneakers.

I am venturing a guess that you do not shoot Short Range Group or Score Benchrest.

 

[jackieschmidt]

How well could one watch their wind flags though these objects ?
It seems that even general observations of surrounding conditions would be restricted quite a bit but perhaps you could share your insight ?

“We don’t need no stinking flags”

Seriously, once again, we are at the quagmire where there are venues where muzzle brakes are of no concern, and there are venues where they are a major problem.

 

[Infrequent Shooter]

What a shit show of a thread. Guns are loud. Who cares if it has a brake or not? They are all loud. If you can't handle it, take up pickle ball with your white New Balance sneakers.

I disagree.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

“We don’t need no stinking flags”

Seriously, once again, we are at the quagmire where there are venues where muzzle brakes are of no concern, and there are venues where they are a major problem.

That's right! That's where and why a good match director takes this bull by the horns and deals with it up front without hesitation and jacking around. You can't please everyone all the time. This is such an example. Yep, some will disagree. Were they gonna stay with the game using a brake? That's why you give em a match or maybe..big maybe..two but after that, they must decide if they like the game or not. Everyone is welcome and there should be a chance for a potential new shooter to get his feet wet with what he has. But after that, he/she just needs to understand that there are numerous reasons why brakes are not a part of short range br. Hope they stay enjoy themself and come back but it is what it is. That's my 2 cents and I know some won't like it. You can't run everybody else off to appease one or two occasional shooters either.

 

[JFrank]

BYOB
Bring your own barrel

 

[stevieb92]

I am venturing a guess that you do not shoot Short Range Group or Score Benchrest.

Not that it matters to you or anyone else, but yes I have. I don't give a rip if someone has a brake or not. It's not my favorite shooting game mainly because too many people get their panties in a bunch, which is shown in spades in this thread.

 

[stevieb92]

I disagree.

So what. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Or what? You want to ban opinions?

 

[M-61]

We have brakes at our varmint silhouette matches, but we also limit calibers to 6.5 cal. max., and no magnums. Velocities above 22 cal. are limited to 3200fps. We go to 500 yds. I use a brake as I want to see bullet impact if I can as sometimes spotters have a tough time seeing impacts. Our benches are about 8' apart.

Lots of rules

 

[jackieschmidt]

That's right! That's where and why a good match director takes this bull by the horns and deals with it up front without hesitation and jacking around. You can't please everyone all the time. This is such an example. Yep, some will disagree. Were they gonna stay with the game using a brake? That's why you give em a match or maybe..big maybe..two but after that, they must decide if they like the game or not. Everyone is welcome and there should be a chance for a potential new shooter to get his feet wet with what he has. But after that, he/she just needs to understand that there are numerous reasons why brakes are not a part of short range br. Hope they stay enjoy themself and come back but it is what it is. That's my 2 cents and I know some won't like it. You thecan't run everybody else off to appease one or two occasional shooters either.

What are the odds that all of our fellow members who see nothing wrong with Muzzle Brakes in the Short Range Group and Score venues have never participated in an organized Short Range Benchrest Match?

 

[ggshoots]

I dont shoot competitively but shoot for fun as well as preparing for hunting etc. 2 things that are irritating to me are people shooting semi auto's without a brass catcher when the brass is constantly hitting the next bench and shooter. Second is muzzle brakes on large calibers that are blowing items off the next bench. I think dividers are a good idea and will build a few for our range for people to use.

Noise to me is a non issue as it is a range. We constantly have shotgunners complaining about the rifle range noise, Have you ever stood by a trap and skeet range? Lol Muzzle blast is different. I had a shooter beside me one day and my hat blew off every time he fired his rifle. What bothered me was he saw what was happening and didn't care.

During competition you just have to put in rules either way, at open range it is about being courteous.

 

[ballisticdaddy]

This thread is still going and getting further off the tracks, the original post was regarding how to deal with brakes at a 300 yard varmint match.....not a sanctioned match. So many posts in this thread where you guys actually have talked yourself into believing other guys run brakes just to annoy you. Curious why there are not so many new shooters coming into this sport....or am I?

 

[rickiesrevenge]

I'm not curious at all. This attitude is exactly why I'm not interested in short range benchrest. Lot of these guys need to look in the mirror to see the problem