Anyone use these Wind Flags
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No experience with those. They look a bit small to me for center fire BR at the yardages you stated. Not sure how you incorporate them with something other than the tripod stands.
Hard to beat the Graham flags for your purposes. He’s holding a sale right now
Hard to beat the Graham flags for your purposes. He’s holding a sale right now
TTE
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Large or extra large ?
wvlongshot
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Like Jimmymac the xl is better for me at the farther range. I put regular size first couple and the xl rest of the way.
Here's a pic of Graham's regular and his uppy downey. It pivots
Here's a pic of Graham's regular and his uppy downey. It pivots
If you wanna see the far flags, turn the scope down. Think on that for a second. No flag that I know of is big enough to actually read much beyond 100 or so yards. Yes, you might see green or orange but can you honestly read angles for shooting 200 yards on the far flags, with any brand.
That is, without them being in the scope. More magnification means less field of view. So, if I am at 42x, it's like having a 42x flag. An inch or so is not gonna make it more readable than having them in the scope. Sorry but not buying that argument.
That is, without them being in the scope. More magnification means less field of view. So, if I am at 42x, it's like having a 42x flag. An inch or so is not gonna make it more readable than having them in the scope. Sorry but not buying that argument.
If you can see flags well enough to actually tell much they are doing at 200, your eyes are a lot better than mine, Jim.
What is the price on the Windicator?
TTE
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$345
Larry Koch
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Smiley.
shooterjon
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Flags are largely a personal choice. Yes, there are plenty of reasons why I do mine like I do but some designs work better than others to some people. Nothing wrong with yours pictured but I toyed with the same concept and design years ago and before settling on my own design over the rest. It works but is better in concept than in use, if that makes sense. It's tough for me to make much use of the angle meter and I prefer sail tails for a few reasons, but ymmv. I don't knock my competitor's products, ever. There are just pro's and con's as well as personal preference on flags. I suggest to anyone that they watch others at matches and talk to owners to get their opinions. Especially those of people who have have both and others, to give an informed basis for them, both pro and con.
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I prefer sail tails also -particularly the lightweights. I also much prefer daisy wheels over balls. It is easier to see the larger daisy in head/ tail conditions (painted different color front to back) than a 3" ball black/white ball. I judge velocity mainly by tail angle. Best read on how to use flags is Ratigans book "Extreme Rifle Accuracy".
Yes, mostly personal but I think I agree with your opinion across the board. Others can and do certainly work but the best flag can only show you what has already happened. The closer to real time, the better, basically.
You have to watch all the flags on the field as much as you can, too. A point of reference in that regard is that a 10mph wind is moving across the range at 14.6 feet per second. So, if you and your neighbor's flags are 15ft apart, you have 1 second to respond to what they just did, MINUS their reaction time, which can be that much or more poorly designed flags...no other influences! Done right, reading flags has us all fighting over some fraction of 1 mph without getting caught in anything, so every little bit matters. Adding things to the flag adds weight, of course, and that slows their response time and ho well they stop or start with the wind. Lots more to them than that but that alone gets your head on straight and the rest is THE fight that we are all trying to do better than the others on that day. The old saying "the wind is my friend" is very true! But you don't have to like the wind much...just more than anyone else you're shooting against on that day is all. Lol! Flags are way under rated in terms of priorities on our equipment, IMO. Most anyone that shoots seriously will tell you that the wind determines who wins or loses on most days but you still see some pretty much terrible homemade or otherwise just poor quality flags very often. They might be the single most important piece of equipment and I don't think of that as a smart place to skimp in this game. Like many items in this game, if you cry once, you're probably on the right path as opposed to buying and selling only to wind up in at the same place except you spent too much time and money on crappy flags, stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime kinda thing.
We don't mind spending big bucks on a rifle, rest, bbl, trigger or whatever but when the rubber meets the road, wind reading is at the top in regard to who wins, more often than not.
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AlNyhus
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I've got three sets of flags:
-Grahams (6 std and 4 large)
-Hood doubles (daisies and weights)
-Airfoil style (no daisy or weight)
With daisy wheels on, I can tend to focus on them more than the tails...which is a mistake. The airfoils are really good in light conditions. Not much of that here on the Northern Plains, though.
I've won and lost with all three types...and more...depending on how my brain is working on that yardage. The best 'flag' for me is some strong mirage with something out there to just show the angle. Especially at 200.
Like a lot of things, once flags drift to far from the basics and add too much other fluff...the 'more' is just 'more'. Not better.
Good shootin'
-Al
-Grahams (6 std and 4 large)
-Hood doubles (daisies and weights)
-Airfoil style (no daisy or weight)
With daisy wheels on, I can tend to focus on them more than the tails...which is a mistake. The airfoils are really good in light conditions. Not much of that here on the Northern Plains, though.
I've won and lost with all three types...and more...depending on how my brain is working on that yardage. The best 'flag' for me is some strong mirage with something out there to just show the angle. Especially at 200.
Like a lot of things, once flags drift to far from the basics and add too much other fluff...the 'more' is just 'more'. Not better.
Good shootin'
-Al
6BRA
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Are the Hood doubles still being made?I've got three sets of flags:
-Grahams (6 std and 4 large)
-Hood doubles (daisies and weights)
-Airfoil style (no daisy or weight)
With daisy wheels on, I can tend to focus on them more than the tails...which is a mistake. The airfoils are really good in light conditions. Not much of that here on the Northern Plains, though.
I've won and lost with all three types...and more...depending on how my brain is working on that yardage. The best 'flag' for me is some strong mirage with something out there to just show the angle. Especially at 200.
Like a lot of things, once flags drift to far from the basics and add too much other fluff...the 'more' is just 'more'. Not better.
Good shootin'
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