TallDog?????? Help identifying this rascal

[Mulligan]

A friend is helping with an estate and came across these cases. At first blush, I said it looks like a talldog. When I had a few moments last evening, I looked on the net to see what info I could find on the talldog and now I am not sure what it is. Thoughts?




Is it a Talldog?

Thanks
CW

 

[geo.ulrich]

The original design by Fred Hasecuster was an .080 short br. the photo looks a little shorter, but there where many variations by others that where also tagged talldog...

 

[Mulligan]

The original design by Fred Hasecuster was an .080 short br. the photo looks a little shorter, but there where many variations by others that where also tagged talldog...

Thanks George, that helps.

I think this one is closer to .150” short?

CW

Edit
It is a .125" sort according to the barrel

CW

 

[ebb]

A friend let me shoot his wal dog once, now that i think back on that day i should have been more helpful when packing up. His wal dog should have gone in my case and in my truck, and i have a Ruger that should have gone in his case and into his suburban.

 

[geo.ulrich]

Clay, it sounds more like Harry Rowalds dinky dog. he shortened it a bunch and shot ultra lite 6 mm's like 56-60 gr area. it shot fairly respectful as long as the conditions stayed easy. I'm not 100% sure on the base case but think it was a br

 

[superlight93]

I have a fluted barrel in 22 Talldog by Hasecuster. Fits Polar. Teddy, and Panda with bushing. Buy it from me!

 

[rangertim]

I had 3 version of the tall dog from the late Jerry Johnson estate 85. 100 & 125 short all shot very good ! It was kinda a paint to make brass but, Jerry won a lot in the late eighties. Gearld Forys of St. Louis Smith the barrels George U probably knew him, most BR shooters around St.Louis talks about him being a Good Smith ! The late Duck Wright of Michigan campaign a 22 200 short BR he called it the Brat, I have a 200 short 22 BR and 185 short dasher from the late Ron Shultz, he shot the 22 short in score after his shoulder surgery and did good ! I’m certain the waldog was a 100 short 22 PPC but stand to be corrected !

 

[JASmith]

Ammoguide.com has a cartridge search tool that allows ne to enter key dimensions and to find cartridges that closely match.

 

[geo.ulrich]

Most of these cartridges where made to match volume to burn rates of powders available at that time...Gerald Forys played a bunch with shortening the br to get the volume wanted..

 

[Dusty Stevens]

These days theyre good for a tinkerer but serve no purpose. Good brass is available now

 

[rangertim]

Dusty most of them probably used Remington BR brass or norma, and the back end of those old chambers are small, and using Lapua brass caused problems unless you open them up ! Full length dies were Remington 6BR with the proper amount removed off the bottom of the die, They presented a lot of problems in case and die’s if you were trying to rekindle a old gun with today’s components ! Been there did that, But mine would shoot,still have all the stuff From the late nineties !

 

[Mulligan]

These days theyre good for a tinkerer but serve no purpose. Good brass is available now

They look FUN!
CW

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Dusty most of them probably used Remington BR brass or norma, and the back end of those old chambers are small, and using Lapua brass caused problems unless you open them up ! Full length dies were Remington 6BR with the proper amount removed off the bottom of the die, They presented a lot of problems in case and die’s if you were trying to rekindle a old gun with today’s components ! Been there did that, But mine would shoot,still have all the stuff From the late nineties !

Yes they used remington brand BR basic brass usually. Lapua brass is pretty bad in the old br rem designed chambers. We had a real bad shortage back in the late 90’s on ppc brass. The resourceful guys had reamers made to tune the powder capacity of the good br brass that was available like mr ulrich said above. Me, i was a hard head and used sako ppc usa brass until i was staking the primer pockets ruining boltfaces (like everybody did back then. You can slways spot an action from that era) and i was also using the shittiest brass available- bulk once fired 7.62x39. I still have that forming die set somewhere. Man that was awful

 

[NorCalMikie]

Amazing what guys will do when playing with their guns.
And if you dig deep enough, most have already been done.
Re inventing the wheel seems to be "THE THING". Sure beats bar hopping.

 

[rangertim]

Bar hopping will leave you with a hang over, but so dose this shooting stuff, just a different kind LOL !!!!

 

[Mulligan]

Clay, it sounds more like Harry Rowalds dinky dog. he shortened it a bunch and shot ultra lite 6 mm's like 56-60 gr area. it shot fairly respectful as long as the conditions stayed easy. I'm not 100% sure on the base case but think it was a br

Most of these cartridges where made to match volume to burn rates of powders available at that time...Gerald Forys played a bunch with shortening the br to get the volume wanted..

George, you likely nailed it.

I just measured the volume of a PPC case filled to the rim with 133. With my pour technique and my funnel it measured 31.34gr. Using the same powder (the 31.34 charge that came out of the PPC) and pour technique, funnel, it over flowed about 5 kernels of powder.
I deduct the volume has to be very close to the ppc. The Dinky Dog case I have is Norma brand and base to shoulder is exactly the same as a Dan Dowling's Waldog case.

I may dabble with this a bit more, just for fun.
Thanks

CW

 

[Mulligan]

Looks like Harry was doing well with Dinkey Dog

 

[jds holler]

Dusty most of them probably used Remington BR brass or norma, and the back end of those old chambers are small, and using Lapua brass caused problems unless you open them up ! Full length dies were Remington 6BR with the proper amount removed off the bottom of the die, They presented a lot of problems in case and die’s if you were trying to rekindle a old gun with today’s components ! Been there did that, But mine would shoot,still have all the stuff From the late nineties !

I bought a 22 REM BR back when I didn't even know what they were. It was a 40X from the early eighties, Rem chamber, tight neck -- I went to the trouble of a small base die, neck turning -- would have been waaayyy ahead to just open things up a bit with a reamer. And of course when I got some non-Lapua brass, there was no problem. jd

 

[Evan]

Clay, it sounds more like Harry Rowalds dinky dog. he shortened it a bunch and shot ultra lite 6 mm's like 56-60 gr area. it shot fairly respectful as long as the conditions stayed easy. I'm not 100% sure on the base case but think it was a br

George, you likely nailed it.

I just measured the volume of a PPC case filled to the rim with 133. With my pour technique and my funnel it measured 31.34gr. Using the same powder (the 31.34 charge that came out of the PPC) and pour technique, funnel, it over flowed about 5 kernels of powder.
I deduct the volume has to be very close to the ppc. The Dinky Dog case I have is Norma brand and base to shoulder is exactly the same as a Dan Dowling's Waldog case.

I may dabble with this a bit more, just for fun.
Thanks

CW

Clay, do you have dies or have you tried forming one? I’m pretty interested in this but not sure how easy it would be to push the shoulder down that far on a 6BR case. Seems like it could be tricky to anneal far enough down the body and I’d hesitate to try it without but maybe the concern is misplaced.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Clay, do you have dies or have you tried forming one? I’m pretty interested in this but not sure how easy it would be to push the shoulder down that far on a 6BR case. Seems like it could be tricky to anneal far enough down the body and I’d hesitate to try it without but maybe the concern is misplaced.

Virtually nobody annealed when the case was designed. Although, it make it easier.