Washington is one thing but Tennessee is outrageous!

[AccelR8]

Elliptical machine. That's the ticket. Very easy on knees, hips, shoulders and you can get a good workout, as easy or intense as you desire.

 

[Daddymac]

Tennessee is trying to ban anyone on anti depressants regardless of the reason including being over weight. Look it up. This has to be one of the worst laws ever come up with. It will strip you of your gun rights to you are off them for 6 months or more. Look it up and check it out with a republican governor. Truly sad if the people just let it take hold so call your senators and assemblymen and tell them you will no longer support them if they vote the wrong way. Good luck.

Will you post a link, I did not find that information about antidepressants, I did, however, find something that "could" be much broader.
If you read through the bill they are calling "order of protection law", one could argue the language can make you give up your firearms, on a temporary basis, if you go to a marriage or family counselor, or some bad neighbor or family member accuses you of physically threatening them.
They claim punishment for false accusations but you still loose your guns until its settled and we all know how long that can take, and like any other false claim against you even if you are cleared your never really cleared.

 

[D Coots]

Accel

Might help with the bicep I tore years ago and the arthritis from 20+ years ago from fracturing my back in 4 places and my neck in 2 when I took out a S10 head on @50mph that turned in front of me on my Harley....

 

[AccelR8]

Accel

Might help with the bicep I tore years ago and the arthritis from 20+ years ago from fracturing my back in 4 places and my neck in 2 when I took out a S10 head on @50mph that turned in front of me on my Harley....

It's sufficient to say I'm in as bad of shape as you! I can't run (can barely walk using leg braces and a cane), can only ride a "bike" that has three wheels. I cannot do a treadmill, but I can do the elliptical machine.

 

[D Coots]

Damn...wish you well.

 

[AccelR8]

I say that only as an encouragement to look in to an elliptical machine. Really.

 

[6MMsteve]

there is a video with the 10 types of AD's but then what about LE that take meds to cope with the job...just a giant can of worms

 

[jds holler]

This is five years old. I'd guess that these stats may be higher now, perhaps substantially higher. Also, this doesn't include people under 18. I wouldn't be surprised if the total figure by now is around 30 %. jd


Figure 1. Percentage of adults aged 18 and over who used antidepressant medication over past 30 days, by age and sex: United States, 2015–2018

 

[1911nut]

Jeeze , I need another drink after reading these last few posts

 

[Kevin1990]

This is a tough nut to crack. If you look at the majority of mass shootings, the shooter often has a history of a mental disorder. Often a doctor has prescribed a mental altering drug to address the disorder. The patient takes the medication and starts to feel better. The person figures they are feeling better and discontinue taking the medication and they unknowingly revert to their pre-medication state. Bad things happen. We ask, how is it that the authorities didn't know or act to secure any guns this individual may have.

Now, how to you qualify what mental issues/medications disqualify you from owning/possessing a gun? Who is going to make that determination, take that responsibility/liability?

How many veterans have claimed they have PTSD when they mustered out to get the extra disability funds that that condition provided? That is a mental condition and specific drugs are prescribed to treat it. Do you disqualify a veteran (who is identified as having PTSD) from owning a gun? What politician will touch this?

Yes, we need to figure out a better way to treat the mental illnesses that afflict individuals and determine if the illness and the medications that are prescribed to treat them disqualify a person from gun ownership. Is the condition life long, or can an individual re-qualify for gun ownership.

It seems easy to make the determination for someone else, but it is entirely different if it effects us personally. I guess we need to be more pro-active with our health care professionals and ask about the medications they are prescribing and what the ramifications of taking this medication are. Does that just push us to not seek help for the different conditions that befall us because we know the possible consequences?

I wish I had an answer to all these issues. There will undoubtedly be a long and painful journey to figure out how to ensure that individuals who may be a danger to themselves and others are provided the care that secures safety and health for everyone.

Please enlighten us since you have put the idea into the either. What arbitrary means will we use to decide who can and cannot own firearms? Is the condition life long? What does that even mean?


Almost 40 million Americans are on SSRIs. That does not include SNRIS, or benzodiazipines, antipsychotics, or other drugs that have pharmacological uses other than what they are prescribed for.

40 million people. The medication is not causing people to go out and kill people. Statistically its insignificant. It's a morality issue. And if you don't believe that, was Manson, Dahmer, Gacy Bundy,shawcross, literally any serial killer in the past decade on on Anti depressants?
Nope.

Don't get me wrong we have a problem with over prescribing drugs in this country and it is a real issue. But it's not causing mass shootings.

 

[chop house]

and caffeine.

oh no. what about cookies, candy, cakes and donuts? i find them to be mood altering.

 

[MUP]

Will you post a link, I did not find that information about antidepressants, I did, however, find something that "could" be much broader.
If you read through the bill they are calling "order of protection law", one could argue the language can make you give up your firearms, on a temporary basis, if you go to a marriage or family counselor, or some bad neighbor or family member accuses you of physically threatening them.
They claim punishment for false accusations but you still loose your guns until its settled and we all know how long that can take, and like any other false claim against you even if you are cleared your never really cleared.

These "Red Flag" laws are certainly unconstitutional and violate due process of law, but the confiscation of firearms, at least in Tennessee, at will is already happening. An acquaintance here in Tennessee was a victim of such a confiscation of his firearms on the say so that he was a danger to himself and others, from his crazy ex wife. He arrived at his home and found police already inside searching his house to take any firearms away that he had there. He knew the officers well and was able to convince them to at least let his good friend house the firearms while he fought this lie in court. In the end, almost a year later, and without any access to any personal protection from being able to access his firearms, he was able to prove that his ex was just being vindictive (she admitted to it) and wanted to cause him trouble. So, gov Lee adding ANY strength to the already unconditional violating of our due process is deplorable and deserves to be called out by our legislators, as well as our citizenry. Some states already have these laws on the books, so we're heading down a dark path here in Tennessee it seems, as our conservative majority seems to be dwindling by RINOs getting elected on conservative principles, then bending over for the liberals to appease their agenda.

 

[SKWERLZ]

They should go after anti-depressants instead of guns!

 

[jds holler]

They should go after anti-depressants instead of guns!

It would be my guess that the idiots who come up with this stuff are mostly liberal, anti gun, nut jobs who are already heavily prescribed with psychotropic drugs. jd

 

[SKWERLZ]

It would be my guess that the idiots who come up with this stuff are mostly liberal, anti gun, nut jobs who are already heavily prescribed with psychotropic drugs. jd

Look at how many of these mass shooters are liberals!
Seen the recent study on mental health of youth and it’s correlation political following?

 

[J.d. Popkes]

Probably the most harmful logic possible is “won’t happen here”……..

 

[Deadmeat1899]

It is a wake up call. All responsible owners need to make it known to their representatives that this kind of left wing activity that they are indulging in will not fly. We, responsible citizens, need to remind them that they are elected officials and they can be replaced ( if the ballot box can still be trusted ). This problem is not going away as long as they choose to approach the problem as a gun problem and continue to let the media glamorize these mass shooting. (Good news does not sell / Bad news sells!!) The way of life that we have known is being eroded and eaten away!

 

[Greg Y]

I hope this gets people looking to diet, exercise, environmental and social aspects to try to get away from the pharmaceutical industry. I don't support the bill, but I also know that the money made on drugs is big and they don't want you fixed near as much as extended to the ragged edge of your insurance benefits.

 

[divingin]

This is a tough nut to crack. If you look at the majority of mass shootings, the shooter often has a history of a mental disorder. Often a doctor has prescribed a mental altering drug to address the disorder. The patient takes the medication and starts to feel better. The person figures they are feeling better and discontinue taking the medication and they unknowingly revert to their pre-medication state. Bad things happen.

Hardly cause and effect though. It wasn't the drugs that caused the behavior; it was the lack of them (or lack of continued use of them.)

As an aside, I used to go on dive charters, spending 3 days on a boat diving for lobster in SoCal. New people would often worry about seasickness. My advice was to load up on the anti-nausea med of choice starting at least 24 hrs before boarding. Generally, if they took that advice, they would be fine the first day. About a quarter of the time, they'd figure they didn't get sick, and figure they didn't need the meds, and then spend the next 2 days below decks puking. Dunno. Human nature?

 

[loinhunter]

It's sufficient to say I'm in as bad of shape as you! I can't run (can barely walk using leg braces and a cane), can only ride a "bike" that has three wheels. I cannot do a treadmill, but I can do the elliptical machine.

If the elliptical gives you problems, try the recumbent bicycle. My (free) trainer at Planet Fitness showed me how force is almost constantly resistive for 360 degrees, working many smaller muscle groups in legs, abs , back etc. Easy on old joints, too.