Do You Replace Your Self Defense AMMO

[Eagle Six]

Just a piece of advice here.
If you are using reloaded ammo for self defense, please stop. If you ever have to shoot someone, the attorney for the bad guy and or his family will make you out to be the mentally deranged individual that loaded this ammo for the sole purpose of inflicting undue damage to his client. Please use factory ammo in you carry guns and have the backing of the mfg. legal team if needed.
I'll put my flame suit on later.

Lloyd

I have read this several times years back by gun rag writers and a few times in forums. I always ask the author is they have a link to an example and I have yet to get a response.

So I'll ask again, do you have a reference of this?

No doubt there would be at least one case, but I haven't seen where it is widespread, and feel this claim can be easily beaten.

 

[Rodney]

How could you prove who loaded it? Unless someone is making there own brass?

 

[joshb]

Just a piece of advice here.
If you are using reloaded ammo for self defense, please stop. If you ever have to shoot someone, the attorney for the bad guy and or his family will make you out to be the mentally deranged individual that loaded this ammo for the sole purpose of inflicting undue damage to his client. Please use factory ammo in you carry guns and have the backing of the mfg. legal team if needed.
I'll put my flame suit on later.

Lloyd

If it ever comes to that, I’ll calmly explain that my ammo is loaded light so it doesn’t hurt as much.

 

[BigBolt]

How could you prove who loaded it? Unless someone is making there own brass?

Especially when you use range brass with all kinds of head stamps.

 

[Rem06]

i got a pre64 264 WM with factory win ammo from the same time.from my father in law. i know it sat there for the 30yrs my wife and i got married. he bought them new in 1958, but didn't shoot much. especially waste it on paper!
called winchester and asked if i should use it?
they replied NO expiration on their factory loaded ammo.
i am using it and it shoots just fine.
2 deer so far with it.
65yr old ammo.

 

[Shooter13]

If you practice enough you'll not have to worry about any of this. Know your gun, know how to un holster it safely, know how to aim quickly and accurately! Then shoot and shoot some more!

 

[joshb]

I was told to “shoot the threat down”.

 

[1shot]

I was told to “shoot the threat down”.

You were told correctly.

 

[1shot]

Please give reference to your claim.

Just more internet myth.....

I trained LE staff for 30 years in firearms and have operated a CCW school since 2004. After speaking with multiple lawyers and subject matter experts, I can assure it's no urban/internet myth. It is simply a tactic the lawyers use to win cases in civilian shootings.

Lloyd

 

[Brians356]

Please give reference to your claim.

Just more internet myth.....

Really? Massad Ayoob is just one who warns about lawyers keying on handloads. Why that would seem outlandish in this day and age strikes me as disingenuous.
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[David Milisock]

I trained LE staff for 30 years in firearms and have operated a CCW school since 2004. After speaking with multiple lawyers and subject matter experts, I can assure it's no urban/internet myth. It is simply a tactic the lawyers use to win cases in civilian shootings.

Lloyd

So what if you carry, factory tactical or critical defense ammo?

 

[Eagle Six]

Really? Massad Ayoob is just one who warns about lawyers keying on handloads. Why that would seem outlandish in this day and age strikes me as disingenuous.
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I think Massad has done some good stuff and written good stuff. Nonetheless I would like to see more than one example of this and the outcome of the trial and no one has presented it.

A lawyer could make a similar claim comparing one factory defense load against another. You could carry whatever the local or national police carry and a lawyer could make an argument against that compared to common range type ammunition.

If someone trust their life on factory ammunition and have a concern about a lawyer after the action, then by all means they should carry the factory ammunition of their choice that makes them sleep better.

No doubt some lawyer sometime has made this argument. What was the outcome of the trial and did that lawyer's argument make a difference and how many, if any, others are on record? I don't know some I'm asking.

 

[Brians356]

Too much like work.
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[Rsadams]

No. I’m still shooting ammo my Grandfather bought!

I shot some of my grandfather's.32acp awhile back that was steel bullets made right after WW2 or during... All went off exactly as they should....70 years old....

To the OP I swap out my duty ammo once a year and store the ammo that I was carrying back in it's box then just shoot it up.... I also only use LE grade ammo....

 

[Rsadams]

As somebody who was in law enforcement and still has friends in law enforcement and trainers for leo... I have never actually heard one case where a person has been convicted for a good shoot because they used reloaded ammo... Either the shoot is good or it isn't.... You can use a rusty dull knife or a brand new one and the charges will be the same if your charged with a crime...

Problem is a liberal DA like Austin TX has that charged the guy for shooting a guy who pointed an AK-47 at him during the riots.... Everyone knows a AK-47 is for peaceful protest.... The DA suppresses the evidence and testimony from AUSTIN Police that it was a clear cut case of self defense and the guy was convicted of murder.... Total BS but in this world it happens..... Be careful out there.... Fortunately Abbott is going to pardon him asap.... Remember the only way to get away with crime is to commit it against a white , conservative , Republican in America.... There i said it out loud....

 

[Brians356]

In the mind of the typical juror:

a) Someone who concocts his own "bullets" [sic] must be a gun nut.
b) nut noun : a foolish or eccentric person

I leave the rest as an exercise for the reader. Don't be that guy, not with all the excellent factory defense loads available.
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[Pawnee Bill]

Does ammo go bad sitting in the magazine? Sounds like more Internet genius BS!

 

[Brians356]

As somebody who was in law enforcement and still has friends in law enforcement and trainers for leo... I have never actually heard one case where a person has been convicted for a good shoot because they used reloaded ammo...

It's the somewhat unclear, borderline cases that could be troublesome. Defendant needs that "benefit of doubt" when ignorant, impressionable, emotional juries are involved. (Is there any other kind?) FWIW search for "Massad Ayoob and Bill Wilson discuss hand loading ammunition for self-defense" on YouBoob.
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[Rem06]

I think Massad has done some good stuff and written good stuff. Nonetheless I would like to see more than one example of this and the outcome of the trial and no one has presented it.

A lawyer could make a similar claim comparing one factory defense load against another. You could carry whatever the local or national police carry and a lawyer could make an argument against that compared to common range type ammunition.

If someone trust their life on factory ammunition and have a concern about a lawyer after the action, then by all means they should carry the factory ammunition of their choice that makes them sleep better.

No doubt some lawyer sometime has made this argument. What was the outcome of the trial and did that lawyer's argument make a difference and how many, if any, others are on record? I don't know some I'm asking.

alec baldass must have claimed prop ammo too?
it was prop ammo! wtf?

that must have been how the prop gun just went off.

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

Better switch to lead free ammo, especially in CA, WA and NY. Than you can tell the lawyer, criminal didn't die from lead poisoning.