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Which 6.5 cartridge for a long action?

Here one way to think about it. All the cartridges mentioned are capable of winning, but all have pros and cons. Wind bucking versus barrel life.
Most important question, How many rounds are you expecting a barrel to last?
Keep in mind that target barrels are like car tires, consumables.

If you are prepared to get 1200-1500 rounds out of a barrel, go for a 6.5x284 (3070 fps)
1500-2000, go for a 6.5x55 Imp. (2950 fps)
2000+, either 6.5x47, 260 Rem, 260 AI(2830 fps node)

In these days of online shopping, dies are readily available for anything out there.
I,m going to be different and go for a thin neck 6.5/25 WSSM
 
I have noticed that it's taking a long time to completely smooth the reamer marks out of the lands in the leade of my 6.5x47s. The Krieger bbl. on the RTS tubegun has more rounds through it than any of the others - having shot one whole season & part of another of across the course HP - and it's still looking very good through the borescope. Barring some completely unforseen circumstance(s), I expect to get at least 2000rds. out of this bbl. 'Course, shooting relatively mild loads with 85s & 107s at 200&300yds. isn't hurting bbl. life any.

Since I'm shooting nothing but RL17/130&140s at 600-1000yds. with the Bartlein on the BAT 3L, it'll be interesting to see how long it lasts relative to the RTS's Krieger.
 
6.5-06

"Factory" ammo is available from A-Square. I don't know if it's SAAMI or is considered a wildcat, but there is factory ammo available. My cases are simply 25-06 necked up. If I did it over again, I might choose the 6.5x55 for barrel life and the Lapua brass. Maybe 6.5x47 ???

http://a-squareco.com/Ballistics_Chart.html
 
The 6.5-06 is now a SAAMI cartridge. Check it out at

http://www.saami.org/PubResources/CC_Drawings/C%20and%20C%20Dwgs%20-%20TOC%20-%20Rifle.pdf
 
since you have a long action, what about a 6.5x57 mauser for a different wildcat? plenty of cases to make it out of. Looking the sierra 5th edition thou, it looks almost identical in velocity to the 6.5x55 swede. I would think it would be somewhat faster. the 6.5-06 would also be a good one as well. there is also a person offering used redding dies for it now in classified section. with all that said, I still vote for the swede.
Hey you mention 6.5x57 cartridge. I am working on 6.5x 244 ackley I call the the 6.5Burns Lite Mag. I use 6.5 x57 brass or Remington 6mm the neck is about 3/8 “ long. 129 and 130 gr bullets going 3150 to 3180 . 120 gr 3250 . The neck length reduces the usual barrel burning traits of the 6.5x284. Mild recoil great velocity and very good energy out to 600 yds.
 
Hey you mention 6.5x57 cartridge. I am working on 6.5x 244 ackley I call the the 6.5Burns Lite Mag. I use 6.5 x57 brass or Remington 6mm the neck is about 3/8 “ long. 129 and 130 gr bullets going 3150 to 3180 . 120 gr 3250 . The neck length reduces the usual barrel burning traits of the 6.5x284. Mild recoil great velocity and very good energy out to 600 yds.
He might not answer.The thread is 12 years old.Your cartridge sounds like it will be interesting. Please keep updates on this.
 
Hey you mention 6.5x57 cartridge. I am working on 6.5x 244 ackley I call the the 6.5Burns Lite Mag. I use 6.5 x57 brass or Remington 6mm the neck is about 3/8 “ long. 129 and 130 gr bullets going 3150 to 3180 . 120 gr 3250 . The neck length reduces the usual barrel burning traits of the 6.5x284. Mild recoil great velocity and very good energy out to 600 yds.
Sounds like a cool round. I have had several 6.5x284 rifles since this thread started and can say I have no love for the round at all. I bet I didn’t put 50 rounds thru either one. Kept wishing they were a 6.5x55 or something else. Heck I bought a couple boxes of 257 roberts brass nosler, and a 257 ackley die set to re-barrel one, then decided not to go down the 25 cal route
 
Sounds like a cool round. I have had several 6.5x284 rifles since this thread started and can say I have no love for the round at all. I bet I didn’t put 50 rounds thru either one. Kept wishing they were a 6.5x55 or something else. Heck I bought a couple boxes of 257 roberts brass nosler, and a 257 ackley die set to re-barrel one, then decided not to go down the 25 cal route
A fine cartridge especially with the bullet selection we have today.
 
260AI give you almost the same ballistics as a 6.5x284 but three times the barrel life. Lapua making brass for 260 now or you can make it outta 243 or 308 brass. Or another option could be 6.5x47 Lapua if you wanted to change to a short action or you can easily run it outta a long action.

Hillbilly
Actually, the 260AI will give same practical ballistics as the 6.5x284 -with 140gr bullets, but not triple the accurate barrel life.
More, but not even twice. ~1900-vs-1200

I do believe the 260AI is the best overall capacity & build in 26cal.
But it goes relatively un-noticed..
 
Since I posted a reply on this thread a dozen yrs ago, I've done several builds for customers on Howa actions in 260 AI, plus a few of my own in a 30* shoulder variation of the AI. I've had nice accuracy out of the 6.5-08 Improved 30*, and pretty decent bbl life - depending on what powder is used. To elaborate, I got only 1300rds out of the 6.5x47 bbl that I'd written about on a BAT 3L action; that bbl was used with Berger 130VLDs & 140LRBT bullets, and RL17. Also, based on the relatively short accurate bbl life of a couple of straight 284 Win bbls used with RL17, I'm done using it. It's a shame, because RL17 gives really good velocity & accuracy - but there's no doubt in my mind that it's very hard on barrels.

I used up a good deal of the bbl life of the first 6.5-08 Imp 30* bbl that I chambered while load testing & data gathering. Just looked back over the chrono data spreadsheet of that barrel and saw that I tried 14 different powders in it, with bullets mainly in 123-140gr weights. So I shouldn't have been too surprised when its accuracy went to pot after a couple of years of shooting it, including using it in a goodly number of PRS-type matches. It was a Bartlein 1-8.5" twist, with conventional 4-groove rifling, and I recall that I'd put about 120rds through it when the accuracy suddenly improved enough to really get my attention. I've lost track of the logbook for that bbl, but if memory serves, it lasted for around 2000rds before accuracy dropped off. There's only one load listed in the spreadsheet that used RL17; other powders used ranged from IMR4350 to Viht N165. I'd re-barreled that rifle for 6XC & sold it to a friend who wanted it a few years ago. But when I inventoried all the loaded ammo I still had for this round - in both fire-formed & yet to be formed brass - I decided to do another 6.5-08 Imp 30* bbl for a Bighorn TL2-SA action that was wearing a 6.5x47 bbl that was still in its prime. So now it's a switch-bbl rifle, with the 6.5-08 Imp bbl currently installed. Would like to do more shooting with this rifle this summer; only time will tell whether that will happen, or another project will come along and push the timeline for shooting up some of the left-over rounds from the original bbl back again. It's a good round, and would certainly be a dandy for larger mule deer if I'd get a bbl blank lighter than the sendero blanks I've used so far, and used it on a hunting weight rifle.
 
I'm with you on the 6
ormandj,

yes, .260R works fine in long-throat form with 140s seated out at around 3" COAL. Nowadays most people are going the other way seeing it as a short-action cartridge and using relatively short throating for 120-130gn max bullet weight.

Top Scottish gunsmith Callum Ferguson (Precision Rifle Services) is a great fan of short-throated .260R using magazine Lawton actions and similar. Throating is designed around varmint bullets, but which also accepts the 95gn Nosler Partition. Callum says the Partition will take any European deer species going including large red deer stags. That may or may not provide the basis for your lightweight hunting rifle.

For a long-range, long-action rifle, I'd look at the 6.5X55mm first which happily gives 140s 2,900-2,950 fps MV from a 30" barrel. People do get a true 3,000 out of the standard Swede in a modern action, but that's pushing the design.

The Ackley Improved version gives the 6.5X55mm quite a bit of extra capacity because of the parent case's considerable body taper. I considered this version closely when I had a 6.5X55 target rifle built recently but rejected it in favour of the standard version because of the apparent lack of off the shelf dies. However, I've since learned CH4D lists dies as a standard number at 80 odd $US - if I'd have known then, I'd have gone AI.

http://www.ch4d.com/

The 6.5X55AI is considered by some as an ideal long-range 6.5 as it approaches 6.5-284 performance but with near 100% powder fill-ratios.

After that, it's 6.5-284 and wildcat versions of the short magnums. Performance goes up a bit and barrel life down a lot!

Brass-wise, as noted you've got good Lapua 6.5X55mm brass here now and .260R on its way. If I were building a custom .260 now I'd wait until the Lapua stuff appears to see if it's as good as other recent Lapua introductions - .22-250R, .308W Palma, and 6.5X47L which are all very high grade and also see what the neck thickness is to adopt a no-turn chamber based on 0.0015" clearance (total of 0.003")

Going in the other direction, 6.5X47L and 6.5 Hornady Creedmoor will match .260R and almost match 6.5X55mm in short actions MV-wise with 140s when suitably throated. The Hornady brass reputedly doesn't last any time at these loadings. The Lapua case suffers IMO from its small rifle primer that needs a custom action or the firing pin turned down and bolt body bushed in more mundane actions (like my FN SPR / Win M70 which has been disastrous in 6.5X47L and is being rechambered to .260R with its large primer). Anyway, why take a small case and load it at 65,000 psi when a larger one will do it with a bit more powder but lower pressures and better case and barrel life?

Laurie,
York, England
I agree with the 6.5x55AI!!! It almost is equivalent to the 6.5-06!! P.O. Ackley himself admitted that the 6.5-06 was the best balance of case capacity vs bore ratio for the 6.5s!!! He stated, that his AI on that round was over bore and that the efficiency dropped!!! The 6.5x55AI is more efficient and faster than the 6.5x55, 260, or 260AI!!!
 

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