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Impact of Bipod on Recoil/spotting hits/misses??

I just chambered my AI AXMC in 33XC to participate in ELR matches. I already own an atlas bipod but everyone in KO1M type ELR matches seem to be recommending Accu Tac HD with ski feet. Phoenix type bipods are banned in ELR matches now.

How much diff will it make to recoil and ability to see misses/hits if I change from atlas to Accu Tac HD with ski feet, in your opinion? Does it make a significant difference or only marginal? I am primarily interested in recoil and ability to spot misses/hits.

thanks for your time and attention.
 
I have used LRA, Elite Iron and Atlas bipods with regular rubber feet on my big boomers, including a 33XC, and have no problem managing recoil and spotting impacts at the distances I engage targets; between 1800 and 3800 yards.

A good brake and technique will help you stay in the target area to spot impacts
 
I use a atlas SCAL or elite iron (mostly elite iron with standard feet) my 338.

As said above with a good bipod, brake and rear bag/support makes self spotting fairly easy.

I definitely would avoid the smaller bipods.
Ski feet aren’t really needed for a 338 but can be helpful with 375+

Friend has a LRA and likes it.
 
The ability to see impacts and misses and trace by yourself is a fundamental and inviromental thing. If you cant spot your impacts and stay on target through recoil at 100 yards from a prone shooting position off a harris or atlas bipod you need to work on your technique. The more distance you add the more sloppy you can be as you are dealing with 4 to 8 second flight times and your field of view is huge not sure how you could loose a target at 1000 plus yards through your scope from a supported position with any caliber. Work on the basics and it wont matter what bipod you are using. Wider foot print bipod will help the twisting torque from recoil on bigger calibers.
 
I am curious as to why they banned a type of bipod.
If it works better, everyone would want one, and it would drive up performance.
Why handicap everyone?
The rifles are already 5k, scopes are expensive too. It's already an arms race, what's the point in a bipod limit?
 
I suspect that not allowing mechanical front rests such as those used in “F” Class, prompted them to not allowing “mechanical” type bipods. The Phoenix has the ability to fine tune the rifle’s elevation on the target by adjusting a wheel leaving the rear of the rifle stationary. Bipods that collapse have no such feature and the shooter must determine the best leg length and adjust for final elevation on the target with a rear bag.
 
I suspect that not allowing mechanical front rests such as those used in “F” Class, prompted them to not allowing “mechanical” type bipods. The Phoenix has the ability to fine tune the rifle’s elevation on the target by adjusting a wheel leaving the rear of the rifle stationary. Bipods that collapse have no such feature and the shooter must determine the best leg length and adjust for final elevation on the target with a rear bag.
Or an adjustable bag rider setup like I run on my 338.
 
I just chambered my AI AXMC in 33XC to participate in ELR matches. I already own an atlas bipod but everyone in KO1M type ELR matches seem to be recommending Accu Tac HD with ski feet. Phoenix type bipods are banned in ELR matches now.

How much diff will it make to recoil and ability to see misses/hits if I change from atlas to Accu Tac HD with ski feet, in your opinion? Does it make a significant difference or only marginal? I am primarily interested in recoil and ability to spot misses/hits.

thanks for your time and attention.
Phoenix are not banned in ELR, they're not allowed at the King of 2 Mile events. I think they're also not permitted at King of 1 Mile as well. But I'm not positive.

On the heavy ELR rifles, the Phoenix is not stiff enough in my opinion. It flexes too much. The Accu Tac is rock solid and is what I use.

I think you'd struggle to see your misses with the Phoenix due to the way it bounces after shots with heavy rifles.

I use an Accu Tac HD50 up front and a Manners stock with an adjustable bag rider in back.
 
I am curious as to why they banned a type of bipod.
If it works better, everyone would want one, and it would drive up performance.
Why handicap everyone?
The rifles are already 5k, scopes are expensive too. It's already an arms race, what's the point in a bipod limit?
It's certainly not about price. I think the spirit behind it (again my view) was to mimic what the snipers in the filed would use. One of the original goals of ELR was to use these events and the evolution of the sport to better increase the first round impact and help the sniper community push their engagement capabilities.

Thus the folding bi-pod was a requirement for the King events.

Honestly, any adjustable bipod is tough to use during the course of fire on a single target. It's usually so far forward of the shooter for stability that you can't reach it to make adjustments. I do everything in the rear. Setup the front for the highest setting needed in that course of fire. Make any adjustments prior to that farthest target with the bag rider at the back or adding small mats under the rear bag. The less I can break my position or move around aids consistency and time efficiency.
 
I suspect that not allowing mechanical front rests such as those used in “F” Class, prompted them to not allowing “mechanical” type bipods. The Phoenix has the ability to fine tune the rifle’s elevation on the target by adjusting a wheel leaving the rear of the rifle stationary. Bipods that collapse have no such feature and the shooter must determine the best leg length and adjust for final elevation on the target with a rear bag.
Mechanical bipods are allowed. They simply don't work as well in ELR.

The problem with an F-Open style front bipod is the time it takes to setup. You don't setup and stay at that location all day like you might in F-Class or bench. So you'd have to carry it back and forth. Then set it up. Then carry your rifle and all the other items you need. Only have about 5-6 minutes to setup and be ready. The more things you need to gather or setup, the more stressful it becomes.
 
Out of curiosity, who makes an elevation mechanical bipod with collapsible legs?
If thats directed to me. I'm not aware of a bi-pod with infinite adjustment and foldable legs. To my knowledge it's one or the other. Would be nice if there was one. Joy Pod is probably the closest thing to get the best of both worlds.
 

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