28 NOSLER THOUGHTS

[358WCF]

...or I have set of dies for 30-06 ackley

I really like my 30-06 Ackley. External ballistics-wise it's not quite in the same class as the 28. With a 26" barrel it's about 100-150fps behind Nosler #9's data for the 28 with equal bullet weights (of a slightly lower BC). This while burning 20-25gr less powder. My loads are on the warm side, but safe in my rifle with reasonably long case life.

 

[Orr89rocz]

Yep, Reloder 33 is the ticket!
My 26" is pushing 175 Elite Hunters at 3195 av at it's best accuracy.

I shoot cold bore shots and maintained .4 to .6 moa average for almost 600 rounds with no end in sight. I measure throat erosion frequently and haven't lost .018" in way over 500 rounds. THIS IS NOT A CARTRIDGE TO FIRE 10 SHOT STRINGS IN 100° JULY SUMMER SUN.
Keep it clean, keep it cool and it is a great cartridge.
Also, it kills with great authority.

Thats good to know. Been reading on here its .010 per 100 rounds. By that ticket you would be .050 and likely ruined

 

[L.Sherm]

Don't overlook V568 in a 28N, I had great success with it.

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

SKIP, the Barrel "Burner" 28 N and go with,.. the 7 SAUM or, 7 PRC !
You SHOULD Easily get, 500+ MORE shots, out of,.. the Barrel !
Much LESS,.. throat Erosion, Better Brass and your Primer pockets will,.. LAST,.. longer
Thank Me,.. LATER !

 

[Orr89rocz]

SKIP, the Barrel "Burner" 28 N and go with,.. the 7 SAUM or, 7 PRC !
You SHOULD Easily get, 500 MORE shots, out of,.. the Barrel !
LESS throat Erosion, Better Brass and your Primer pockets will,.. LAST,.. longer
Thank Me,. LATER !

ADG makes 28 nosler which is suppose to be nice. 7 prc is nice but not sure who is making brass yet?

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

If your going with 7mm and keeping shots on game under 500 yards there are other options.

7mm-08, 280 Rem, 280AI, 284 Win.

If you just want the 28 Nosler (and nothing wrong with that!), bear in mind your going to need to change the bolt face and change up the magazine for that cartridge.

For 500 yard Max on Whitetails ALL, the Cartridges listed Above ^^^ ARE,. FINE and even, the ole' .270 Win with, 140 gr H-VLD or, Classic Hunter, Bergers, could,.. DO IT,.. easily ( If, in a "Good" Rifle and, Hand loaded,.. Properly )

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

ADG makes 28 nosler which is suppose to be nice. 7 prc is nice but not sure who is making brass yet?

EVERY Brass Manufacturer, on Planet Earth will be,.. making, 7 PRC Brass ( Yes, it's THAT,.. Popular and GOOD ).
My son, is building One and after shooting up 4- 5 Bx's of 175 ELD-X Hornady Ammo, ( reloading it for, a couple of shots ) then, he'll be waiting for,...
ADG or, Petersen Brass

 

[Orr89rocz]

EVERY Brass Manufacturer, on Planet Earth will be,.. making, 7 PRC Brass ( Yes, it's THAT,.. Popular and GOOD ).
My son, is building One and after shooting up 4- 5 Bx's of 175 ELD-X Hornady Ammo, ( reloading it for, a couple of shots ) then, he'll be waiting for,...
ADG or, Petersen Brass

After looking it already appears peterson is making a run Q3 this year. Available for backorder. Thats good news. I just feel like it doesnt do anything a good throated 7 remmy can do or a saum/wsm but those suffer in short actions with the longer coals

Adg doesnt appear to have anything for up to next yr. Adg and peterson both have 28 available now in some places

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

After looking it already appears peterson is making a run Q3 this year. Available for backorder. Thats good news. I just feel like it doesnt do anything a good throated 7 remmy can do or a saum/wsm but those suffer in short actions with the longer coals

The 7 PRC HAS,. NO Belt, much better ( Less ) Taper of, Case, 30* shoulder and, a Longer Neck for, Bullet seating, OFF,.. the Doughnut. The 7 PRC Design should be, a Bit easier on Throats, due to, the Flame Turbulence Point, being further Back in Case ( Longer Neck and 30* shoulder, Help's with, THIS ) S/ Be, a little LESS Barrel wear than, the 7 Rem Mag.,. IMO
Several lesser, Cartridges will be Obsolete, in the next 10 years as , THIS One's, a New, Modern, Design with Awesome Bullet BC's and already, Wildly Popular from, the Looks of, things.
The 7 PRC, should be, built on,.. Long Actions.
The GunWerks guys,.. ARE, converting their Rifles over to IT,.. ask yourself,.. WHY ???

 

[Toptom]

Could also throw the old 7stw into the mix. I have no experience with the nosler but have two model 70s in 7stw and is a very accurate round may get you a little more barrel life and still have the power of a big 7.

 

[Orr89rocz]

To add to the thread, 28 or 7 prc is way overkill for 400-500 yrd deer hunting lol. Way more than enough velocity and energy down range to perform on game. That said im building one too for same purposes except i plan to go to 700-800 and shoot steel to 1400 ish, maybe try my mile. I just built a 308 win for 400-500 yrd deer. I been using a 300 wsm with berger bullets. Its a hammer at those ranges. I just want something different. I even feel confident in my 257 roberts, taken a buck at 350 with it. It shoots great to 565 at my range just more sensitive to wind which is why i have the 30’s and the 7 coming. For you, i think a 6.5 prc would be excellent. 280 ai is great, same with a 270 win with right bullets, maybe set one up for the fast twist 6.8 western style loads 165-170 grain stuff

 

[Scalloper]

After looking it already appears peterson is making a run Q3 this year. Available for backorder. Thats good news. I just feel like it doesnt do anything a good throated 7 remmy can do or a saum/wsm but those suffer in short actions with the longer coals

Adg doesnt appear to have anything for up to next yr. Adg and peterson both have 28 available now in some places

I agree the 7prc has nothing to offer over the 7mm Mag. I dont buy the "belt" remarks as the 7mag is a very precise hunting cartridge now as much as it has been for 60 years.
As far as the 28 being a barrel burner, are we talking hunting rifle or a F Class rig we plan on taking to matches? Mors of us will never wear out a "barrel burner" hunting rifle.

 

[Orr89rocz]

The 7 PRC HAS,. NO Belt, much better ( Less ) Taper of, Case and, a Longer Neck for, Bullet seating, OFF,..
the Doughnut. Several lesser, Cartridges will be Obsolete, in the next 10 years as , THIS One's, a New, Modern, Design and Wildly Popular from, the Looks of,.. "Things". The 7 PRC should be, built on,.. Long Actions

Eh dont buy into the hype too much lol it is better but idk if you can quantify by how much lol i mean look at the 284 win. Its an oldey but its hard to beat. And belts arent terrible, most just headspace off shoulder now anyway. Plenty of guys doin very good with stuff like 7 rem mag and 7 practicals. Same kinda deal with 300 win vs 300 prc. Properly set up, does the prc offer THAT much more? Building rifles its easy to run same throat/freebore to make it an easy comparison.

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

IF Building, a New Rifle, WHY would you chamber it with, a 60,.. SIXTY,.. Year Old, cartridge Design ??
NO, it probably WON'T, "Do" that much,.. more than, a properly set up, 7 MM Rem. Mag.
I had, a 7 Rem Mag and they are,.. OK for sure ! And, Yup,. minimal,.. Differences !
The 7 SAUM and 7 PRC are just, a more Modern "Design" ,.. IMO
ALL of, the Hornady Designed Cartridges,.. ARE, very accurate for, a REASON
But in the End, it's Your Choice and Your Money,.. NOT,.. mine.

 

[Orr89rocz]

It all comes down to application. Does it fit the needs and goals? My 257 roberts is what a 100 yrs old now? One ragged hole groups if i do my part and ive hit 10” steel at 1375 yrds. Some things just work…

 

[FNSafari]

For 500 yard Max on Whitetails ALL, the Cartridges listed Above ^^^ ARE,. FINE and even, the ole' .270 Win with, 140 gr H-VLD or, Classic Hunter, Bergers, could,.. DO IT,.. easily ( If, in a "Good" Rifle and, Hand loaded,.. Properly )

And steered by a rifleman who knows his ballistics and how to accurately judge wind drift....the most important link in the chain. Me, I’ll stick to 200 yds or so and not risk wounding a wonderful game animal. My ego is in check and I don’t need the meat that bad. JMO

 

[Mdhmsmith]

I love mine but also knew what I was getting into when I built it. It is a low volume shooter and a hot rod with 195's. Expensive brass and bullets. It uses a lot of powder, Retumbo in my case. I'm looking to Vihtavouri for a replacement. It is confidence inspring if you practice with it in the wind.

195gr EOL Nosler brass CCI250 Retumbo 79gr 3.719 OAL 0.015 off lands 76 deg F 3016 fps SD 1.7 ES 3

This is a relatively mild load at this OAL. I didn't feel like chasing the higher node and didn't see the need to at 3016 mv. I have 218 rounds through it right now.

Build

 

[std7mag]

The 7 PRC HAS,. NO Belt, much better ( Less ) Taper of, Case, 30* shoulder and, a Longer Neck for, Bullet seating, OFF,.. the Doughnut. The 7 PRC Design should be, a Bit easier on Throats, due to, the Flame Turbulence Point, being further Back in Case ( Longer Neck and 30* shoulder, Help's with, THIS ) S/ Be, a little LESS Barrel wear than, the 7 Rem Mag.,. IMO
Several lesser, Cartridges will be Obsolete, in the next 10 years as , THIS One's, a New, Modern, Design with Awesome Bullet BC's and already, Wildly Popular from, the Looks of, things.
The 7 PRC, should be, built on,.. Long Actions.
The GunWerks guys,.. ARE, converting their Rifles over to IT,.. ask yourself,.. WHY ???

Gunwerks is adding it to their list of cartridges. Not "converting over".
And the why would be MONEY.
Since they jumped in bed with Hornady to do their 7mm LRM.
Before that they used Berger bullets exclusively.

And don't let a belt scare you!
@davidjoe went to shooting a 300 Win Mag for competitions. I don't think he would have done that if a belt decided on accuracy.

 

[Orr89rocz]

And steered by a rifleman who knows his ballistics and how to accurately judge wind drift....the most important link in the chain. Me, I’ll stick to 200 yds or so and not risk wounding a wonderful game animal. My ego is in check and I don’t need the meat that bad. JMO

400-500 yards is not a hard shot with the right rifle on a good rest and good scope magnification. Especially with a fast high bc round. Even a little bit of wind doesnt move it that much. Just need to practice a lot and know your load. Its like anything else, you train for it you become competent. The ego is in check

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

@ std7mag,..
You guys, need to listen to, some of, GunWerks,.. LATEST, Podcasts !
The 7 LRM Cartridge, will BE,. Obsolete, in a couple of, Years !
Everything being "converted" to, the 7 PRC from, the 7 LRM and they WON'T, bother to, MAKE IT, in another, Year !
Stock up,.. IF you have One
Since these, Newer "Barrel burners" only last about,.. 700 to 1,100 Shots it's,.. NO, "Big Deal" to them.
Barrels are, "Peanuts" to these,.. Millionaires, anyway