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Eric Cortina and Hornady

I enjoy watching Erik Contina's videos and I like his engaging presentation style. He no doubt knows what he is talking about since shooting at 1,000 yards successfully takes more than average skill and knowledge.

However, with the information overload these days on social media, I carefully analyze what I watch to see if there is anything that might be useful for me. While I'm always looking to improve my shooting and reloading, I'm also a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it kind of guy.":):):)

One of the comments Erik made that resonated with me was and I paraphrase, "everyone has a process and as long as you arrive at the result {[you want] that's fine, there is not just one right answer."

PS: Watching this video make me want to go back to shooting factory ammo. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
TC260 said:
Its just a matter of measuring things the same way. Measure the three groups as a composite and see what they measure. It'll be larger than the three groups measured individually
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I have precision graphic software and when measuring critical groups I scan the target into it, proportionally scale the scan accurately and then superimpose circles with center points properly sized the the caliber. The software can be set to work to 6 decimals.

I find the superimposed groups from multiple targets always spreads the numbers. When I mention my 300 yard groups of 1 1/16" average that means that if I superimpose multiple groups they will average 1.0625" not that every group will be 1.0625".
 
Bill Norris said:
Jayden said in the beginning of the video in order for the average of a gun to be a 1/4 min. gun at some point it had to shoot 1/2 min. That is not true at all. I personally shot these 3 - 10 shot groups recently with my 30BR. The agg. for the 30 shots is as follows

.325 10-SHOT GP
.198 10-SHOT GP.
.253 10-SHOT GP.
.776 TOTAL FOR 30 SHOTS
.258 AGG. FOR THE 3 10 SHOT GROUPS

The largest group my rifle shot was .325 and that is nowhere near 1/2 min group.
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Some armchair technicians can be asses and they would argue that .258 is not a quarter inch. So I'm not addressing those people, as they need help, I would say that it's the superimposed groups that always spoil my aggregate groups.
 
markT said:
Well you don't live in SC and own anything.. I've been paying property tax for 43 years and a portion goes to the "Lie Berry" as we say in the south...
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What I am saying, I am employed, and I do not need to charge fees to share my Shooting Experience and Knowledge. That is for the time being. When I retire, I may own my Gun Store, LR Shooting Club, and I may charge fees as an instructor.

I have been paying my 5X the average Joe tax for as long as I lived in the USA. My taxes support 5 lazy household's no-incomer living on SSI.

I do not know how much of my taxes are supporting illegal immigrants.
 
K22 said:
One of the comments Erik made that resonated with me was and I paraphrase, "everyone has a process and as long as you arrive at the result {[you want] that's fine, there is not just one right answer."
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Couple of observations about Erik’s opening, in talking about the funnel and his “narrowing down brass and bullet choices”.

The truth is that Erik was identified as a natural, freakishly strong wind reading talent and handpicked by Lapua to be a sponsored shooter, and something like 13 -15 years ago I first saw his shirts at Bayou and photo in their catalog.

As to the “funnel” his F-Class “brass” choices for a cartridge consist of Lapua and his bullet choices in “F-Class” this is - consists of the entire range of Berger 180 Hybrids, since the acquisition. If Erik has shot any A-Tips or others, aside from the several in my gun a few months back, it would be a real surprise to me.

Erik hasn’t always been so open to the “many paths” idea. The 60 plus interviews have taught him and all of us a lot, to the credit of his initiative, credibility and recognition, but they are the main reason there are “many paths”.

Examples:

Jack Neary says “don’t be afraid to load more powder” and watch groups shrink. Erik can barely sit still. Rewind it. The eyes roll. But Erik leaves it in, commendably.

David Gosnell punches incredible X’s and Erik, at this period of time, is repeating in every chance, that everyone high-finishing is using Lapua brass. Gosnell is asked, and pauses, and answers “No” - it wasn’t Lapua brass. My strong suspicion is that Gosnell, like many of us, bought cases and cases of Shiraz’s Norma brass when it was on sale. And it is very accurate. It becomes apparent that David’s winning processes are very, very truncated, which calls into question the validity of so many discrete steps.

Then there’s Magnums. How many times did a top shooter chide magnums and the whole idea of needing better BC on target to agg higher?? Mags were taking the easy way out and it wasn’t going to work. Erik basically told FClass John don’t go there a couple years ago. Time lapse. Now both John and Erik, and nearly everyone else, are shooting magnums.

Time lapse. Lapua, sitting at the reputational pinnacle of match brass, cuts production of .284, and as to all of FTR? But Lapua can still make the PRC line that Hornady developed, by the way, just not Palma brass that half of Fclass uses?

We are at a brief, pivotal moment in time where it’s still not popular to extol any virtue in the older brands, that do happen to be American companies, but at the same time 100% loyalty by many very good shooters to Blue and Yellow is still not enough to be their priority. (Go research the $ value of its American defense contracts, which are facilitated by an American physical presence, which makes me wonder why Nammo/Lapua wanted Berger). My prediction is this situation cannot stand indefinitely, and I hope it reverts, but if not we may even see the same familiar people some day talking about how incredible Red and Green are.

*** As to large samples, they aren’t needed in fully supported or machine held rifles. Those effectively mitigate “random” dispersion. Neary and Cortina are right that two shots tells most of the story and beyond that you just need enough to see what a barrel heating up does to group. ***
 
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David Milisock said:
Some armchair technicians can be asses and they would argue that .258 is not a quarter inch. So I'm not addressing those people, as they need help, I would say that it's the superimposed groups that always spoil my aggregate groups.
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I agree 100%. And, truthfully, I think the info is skewed somewhat when considering the "big picture" Reason is simple. All their testing could be done all over again and arrive at a different set of parameters. A different location, shooter, equipment, atmospheric conditions, not to even mention the added benefits of using a tuner would probably yield different results. So, in retrospect I think if the "small sample" testing if done in a manner that gives us our desired outcome that most of us do is adequate for obtaining our results. Not being close-minded at all but I will retain my method of finding the best accuracy from my rifles and loads and be happy. So, I can say without any reservations what they have accomplished will not alter my testing not one spec.
 
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Ringostar said:
He started his own fan club?
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Let me share my own experience with technology sharing on the internet. For 50 years I worked in graphics, 31 of those years I ran my own company. I've written 5 books on color management for specific software. The process has 132 variables cubed, that's 132 x 132 x 132 = 2,299,968 variables.

My display monitor costs $4,000, my work stations are calibrated, I use calibration equipment that costs $7,000, my entire studio has been created to industrial standards for color repeatable performance.

After writing 5 successful books like an idiot I was going to share the knowledge on line. After about 3 months researching the concept I got to NO EFFING WAY!

It came down to having to sort through mountains of crap at zero benefit to anyone to find one discussion of value. It affected my view of our species in such a negative way that it had to stop.

So for this fellow to have a setup where people pay to access and share information is in my opinion a good idea.
 
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davidjoe said:
Couple of observations about Erik’s opening, in talking about the funnel and his “narrowing down brass and bullet choices”.

The truth is that Erik was identified as a natural, freakishly strong wind reading talent and handpicked by Lapua to be a sponsored shooter, and something like 13 -15 years ago I first saw his shirts at Bayou and photo in their catalog.

As to the “funnel” his F-Class “brass” choices for a cartridge consist of Lapua and his bullet choices in “F-Class” this is - consists of the entire range of Berger 180 Hybrids, since the acquisition. If Erik has shot any A-Tips or others, aside from the several in my gun a few months back, it would be a real surprise to me.

Erik hasn’t always been so open to the “many paths” idea. The 60 plus interviews have taught him and all of us a lot, to the credit of his initiative, credibility and recognition, but they are the main reason there are “many paths”.

Examples:

Jack Neary says “don’t be afraid to load more powder” and watch groups shrink. Erik can barely sit still. Rewind it. The eyes roll. But Erik leaves it in, commendably.

David Gosnell punches incredible X’s and Erik, at this period of time, is repeating in every chance, that everyone high-finishing is using Lapua brass. Gosnell is asked, and pauses, and answers “No” - it wasn’t Lapua brass. My strong suspicion is that Gosnell, like many of us, bought cases and cases of Shiraz’s Norma brass when it was on sale. And it is very accurate. It becomes apparent that David’s winning processes are very, very truncated, which calls into question the validity of so many discrete steps.

Then there’s Magnums. How many times did a top shooter chide magnums and the whole idea of needing better BC on target to agg higher?? Mags were taking the easy way out and it wasn’t going to work. Erik basically told FClass John don’t go there a couple years ago. Time lapse. Now both John and Erik, and nearly everyone else, are shooting magnums.

Time lapse. Lapua, sitting at the reputational pinnacle of match brass, cuts production of .284, and as to all of FTR? But Lapua can still make the PRC line that Hornady developed, by the way, just not Palma brass that half of Fclass uses?

We are at a brief, pivotal moment in time where it’s still not popular to extol any virtue in the older brands, that do happen to be American companies, but at the same time 100% loyalty by many very good shooters to Blue and Yellow is still not enough to be their priority. (Go research the $ value of its American defense contracts, which are facilitated by an American physical presence, which makes me wonder why Nammo/Lapua wanted Berger). My prediction is this situation cannot stand indefinitely, and I hope it reverts, but if not we may even see the same familiar people some day talking about how incredible Red and Green are.
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The other thing he said was that experience matters. I believe that to be so even though my shooting requirements are comparatively modest distance and accuracy wise by today's standards.
 
Erik is smart. He has been successful and people want to be able to ask him questions. On his forum thats what he does. The alternative is to get burnt out answering questions on your time for free, and quitting. I get a lot of questions too. I simply stopped replying to them unless they are customers. It takes more time than you guys think.
 
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The modern term is "influencer". It's truly an interesting phenomenon. And influence eventual becomes monetized. It's a river of money. There is more money in "influence" than just about anything I have seen.

I mean Joe Rogan talks about weed, mma, and fart jokes and he probably makes 100 million a year.
 
Bill Norris said:
I agree 100%. And, truthfully, I think the info is skewed somewhat when considering the "big picture" Reason is simple. All their testing could be done all over again and arrive at a different set of parameters. A different location, shooter, equipment, atmospheric conditions, not to even mention the added benefits of using a tuner would probably yield different results. So, in retrospect I think if the "small sample" testing if done in a manner that gives us our desired outcome that most of us do is adequate for obtaining our results. Not being close-minded at all but I will retain my method of finding the best accuracy from my rifles and loads and be happy. So, I can say without any reservations what they have accomplished will not alter my testing not one spec.
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I think the unspoken part of this is accuracy. You shoot one group .25". Then you shoot others, superimpose them and the entire set of groups are .625".

To me they become relevant to one another, based on two points, the first the original point of aim and two the real center of the entire set of groups.

The third issue is the ability to adjust the sighting mechanism to the center of the combined groups. In old school scopes, if your scope has 1/4" clicks and if you're center of the groups verses the aimed is off by 1/8" you're screwed.

So for us hunting guys it only matters how far off the first .25" group was off from the aimed point. Even if it's off 1/4" the agragate group is 5/8" and that 1/4" adjustment is as wrong as it is right.

It kind of like 6 of 1, half dozen of another.
 
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