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The Unexpected!

Ok guys, I've been shooting for 50+ years and while I'm nowhere near an "expert" with a rifle, I do have a fair amount of experience, spend a lot of time at the range and hunting and I'm always open to learning more.

So, I'm at the rifle range today shooting my Browning X bolt, 223 Rem., a superbly accurate rifle with a fair trigger. The wind is fairly stiff, 10/20 mph swirling. I'm no Daniel Boone but my first three shots off my cross sticks go off to the right about 2" and high at 100 yards. This way off my norm, even for an old fart with diminishing skills. The curious part is the group is nice and tight. But tight groups off the desire point of impact are of no value to me. My ground hog buddies, and predator friends don't care about tight groups off the mark!!

The wind? Bad day? Old fart syndrome? Probably one or more, yet I wonder. The next two shots are closer to the desired point of impact but still way beyond my acceptable norm. That's it, I pack up and go home. At home I have a double Maker's Mark, a nice anecdote to a bad range session. As I enjoy this very smooth sipping whiskey, my mind begins to process the bad range session. At my age, bad range sessions are always a possibility but like most shooters, I'm always looking for a "scape goat."

Now, let me say this, I've never had an issue with a stock or scope screw loosening in all the years that I've been shooting, which is a lot. So, this is the last "scape goat" I would suspect.

With the Maker's Mark inducing another level of higher consciousness ;), I decided to check the screws. The rear stock screw is very loose, about 2 turns to firm tightness. Was this the cause? I don't know but it can't be good. So, I apply Loctite and retighten and will venture out to the range this week to see.

Regardless, there is always the unexpected!!!! Just because it's never happened, doesn't mean it can't!!!

PS: Stranger things!!! This year I had my first incipient case head separation and now this, a loose stock screw. What's next??? An albino ground hog this spring??? A saber tooth ground hog? I guess I shouldn't post when I've been into my cup. ;););)
 
I find it particularly annoying when my trusty hunting rifle won't group and I find the barrel is resting on the stock that I've opened the barrel channel on twice before. (Cue indescernable mumbling that sounds suspiciously like profanity)
 
Best group I ever shot in my life. Circa 2002 with a Browning A-bolt hunter 308 w/BOSS. 6 rounds same 30 cal hole. Come to find out the front action screw was loose and the barrel was torquing and hitting the stock channel. I deemed that wasn't the best way to run the gun, so I tightened and torqued the bolt to spec. Never had a group like that again! lol
 
Best group I ever shot in my life. Circa 2002 with a Browning A-bolt hunter 308 w/BOSS. 6 rounds same 30 cal hole. Come to find out the front action screw was loose and the barrel was torquing and hitting the stock channel. I deemed that wasn't the best way to run the gun, so I tightened and torqued the bolt to spec. Never had a group like that again! lol
Like you've heard from some old sage "Don't fix what aint broke" I'm getting better at that these days, Less to do
 
Oh, yes, how about a 40X that went poopy suddenly. Tried all kinds of ammo fixes, then picked the rifle up by the barrel and discerned a wiggle. Yep, stock had shrunk (kinda like a cold breeze thing) and the front action screw was 1/2 turn loose.

Or the 22 PPC that went from whacking chucks to 500 yards to 19 inches low at 100! WTH? Figured I banged the scope so did a sight change, got it on at 100. Then picked it up by the barrel and felt...yep...barrel wiggle. This time it was the barrel that was loose. Tightened it up and guess what? Sighted in 19 inches high. and now I had a pile of sight in brass that was out of whack in the shoulder cause I shot it with a loose barrel.

K22, it happens when it happens, and then a in the middle of it all a bus load of nuns drives through it, just to make it more surreal.
 
Things happen while we are living. The wood may have shrunk a bit. Humidity change & heat coming on in the house or a hot car ride can dry things out. I sold off a Nice Win. model 70 Varmint Weight barrel [Timney trigger added ]22-250 Stealth version, Fancy black plastic aluminum bedded stock. I should have known that barrel was still good. It was printing two points of impact at 100 yds. A Broken mount screw hiding under the rear ring. Oh I felt stupid, still kicking myself. The guy had the nerve to bitch me out. I'd told him to buy a new barrel for it before I sold it to him at a bargain price. all he needed was a sheared off screw replaced. mike in ct
 
Ok guys, I've been shooting for 50+ years and while I'm nowhere near an "expert" with a rifle, I do have a fair amount of experience, spend a lot of time at the range and hunting and I'm always open to learning more.

So, I'm at the rifle range today shooting my Browning X bolt, 223 Rem., a superbly accurate rifle with a fair trigger. The wind is fairly stiff, 10/20 mph swirling. I'm no Daniel Boone but my first three shots off my cross sticks go off to the right about 2" and high at 100 yards. This way off my norm, even for an old fart with diminishing skills. The curious part is the group is nice and tight. But tight groups off the desire point of impact are of no value to me. My ground hog buddies, and predator friends don't care about tight groups off the mark!!

The wind? Bad day? Old fart syndrome? Probably one or more, yet I wonder. The next two shots are closer to the desired point of impact but still way beyond my acceptable norm. That's it, I pack up and go home. At home I have a double Maker's Mark, a nice anecdote to a bad range session. As I enjoy this very smooth sipping whiskey, my mind begins to process the bad range session. At my age, bad range sessions are always a possibility but like most shooters, I'm always looking for a "scape goat."

Now, let me say this, I've never had an issue with a stock or scope screw loosening in all the years that I've been shooting, which is a lot. So, this is the last "scape goat" I would suspect.

With the Maker's Mark inducing another level of higher consciousness ;), I decided to check the screws. The rear stock screw is very loose, about 2 turns to firm tightness. Was this the cause? I don't know but it can't be good. So, I apply Loctite and retighten and will venture out to the range this week to see.

Regardless, there is always the unexpected!!!! Just because it's never happened, doesn't mean it can't!!!

PS: Stranger things!!! This year I had my first incipient case head separation and now this, a loose stock screw. What's next??? An albino ground hog this spring??? A saber tooth ground hog? I guess I shouldn't post when I've been into my cup. ;););)
One saber tooth GH coming up!
 

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I've heard from some EXPERTS that the First Rule of etiquette for Makers Mark and
others of the same variety is to throw the cap away upon opening!..........kidding!
I'm sure the answer to your problem will display itself in short order.
Those kinds of things just keep happening to me and all of us I assume, and it is the
kind of thing that keeps the sport interesting. Wouldn't it be dull if every time we
went out everything went perfectly?
 
If I have bad at the range I don’t go home take everything apart and restart from scratch, I at least wait to the second bad day at the range LOL
I agree but, in this case, the rear stock screw was significantly loose. Whether this caused the erratic shots I won't know until I revisit the range after applying Loctite and retightening but a screw that loose can't be good, right?
 
Had a competitor at the Arizona State 600 come off the Line grumbling about "scattered" shots , and the wind wasn't "THAT" bad , was it ? My response was , "No ; it isn't that bad". Check your scope , Mounts , and Action screws . A few minutes later , his face was as red as a scoring disc . Both Action screws were loose , and it took him completely out of any chance to win . Last thing the night before a Match , I check every fastener for correct torque . Every time
 

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