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Hey everybody, I wanted to start this thread to see everyone’s load development method(s) and what works for them. I’ve tried many methods including OCW, modified versions of OCW, the “Satterlee” method, my own version of both combined, and I’ve witnessed shooting buddies performing long range ladder testing. It also seems that everyone has their own way of doing things and some swear by their way, while others do equally well with a completely different strategy and method within the same discipline. I’ve tried many methods and have not been able to replicate the test results on separate days of testing with some of these methods.

Having said all of that, what do you guys do? I want to keep this thread on track and not have too much discussion or debates. I just want the down and dirty description of how you develop loads for your long range rifles. Whether it’s for hunting or competition or both. How many shots per charge? What charge increments for each load? Do you pay attention to ES/SD? What range do you do the testing? Do you repeat the test on separate days? Etc Etc. Thank you!
 
I take brass that's been fireformed, pick a powder and bullet. Find touch, then seat the bullets at .005 off. Take the selected powder and start about 1gr below max and do a primer test. The one that groups best is kept, and shoot 1 round in .1gr increments, measuring case head expansion. When I reach .0006, I call that max. If I have to go higher than the book to get it, then I keep going. Then load 3 shot groups starting about .5 grs below max in .1gr increments and see how the groups form. Then do a seating depth test at -.001, -.003 and continue until I get to -.013. If I don't find a node in there, I just keep moving back until it does shoot. Some bullets won't. If I get to a good charge within .5gr of max, at a seating depth that gives good accuracy, then I put it across a chrono just to get the numbers. What I'm looking for is a range of about .5gr of powder and .006 range of seating depths that all print well. I find that a seating depth .002 back from the farthest out edge of the node, and .2grs back from the upper powder edge seems to be very forgiving of range conditions.

I do my testing at 100 yards to get the initial load. It may need fine tuning at 200. I'm currently only shooting out to 200, but that's where the problems I have had with gun handling really shows up. It's easy to pin a rifle and get it to shoot at 100 IME. Free recoil is another matter. If the gun doesn't track really well, it's going to be ugly out there.
 
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My load development starts like this:

I go here first.

I look for the caliber I want to load, see what the best burn rates are, and then work off of that with the components I have, generally starting near the middle range. My number one requirement is accuracy at a given distance, and then I look for stability. Once I get both - I'm done.
 
Once I have picked bullet and powder, I use quick load to find the 1.329 barrel time node. I load .6 gr above, at, and .6 below that node. That gives me a light, medium and hot charge. I find touch and go from touch +.010 to - .020, in .003 increments for my 6br. My 223 likes jambed bullets, so I start at touch and go forward .003 at a time. My 6.5x47L likes jumping, so I start at touch -.003, and go deeper from there. I only have access to a 100 yd range, so everything is done there.
I do use a chrono. I can then adjust the burn rate in ql to match actual. This helps me adjust for temperature changes.
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I normally follow this pattern with F/F'ed brass. Some prefer bullets jammed but that is an individual preference.

LOOKING FOR LOWEST EXTREME SPREAD ON CHRONO WITH POWDER TEST
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(1) Find acceptable powder charge first with bullets seated at whatever measurement off lands you are comfortable with by loading 3 rds. @ .03 grain intervals 5 or 6 steps.
(2) Look for lowest E S from those loads ** Neck tension may come into play with Extreme Spread a well.

NOTE - The charge weight window of at least two to three (or more) groups representing successive charge weight increments where the center point of each group has the same position relative to the POI. What that really means is a charge weight window across which the barrel harmonics/timing remain relatively constant as charge weight increases.

(4) Adjust seating depth secondly to tune barrel harmonics and fine tune with tuner if applicable.

Finding Seating Depth

(1) Find touch lands measurement with CBTO method
(2) Seat @ .010 to .015 deeper off lands **Some prefer seating into the lands as well
(3) Load 3 rds. @ .003 deeper in steps moving away from lands until 2 consecutive tight groups show up (NOT ONE)
(4) Seat @ longest measured seating depth of
those (2) groups minus .001 for CBTO
(5) For periodic land wear check, load 3 rds. at .003
longer than the measurement in step 4. If the group
is tight this will be the NEW seating depth. If not then stay with the measurement established in step 4

REQUIREMENTS FOR ACCURATE LOADS

Combustion - high extreme spread & small group - change powder charge/type, primer, or adjust neck tension.
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Harmonics - low extreme spread & big group - adjust seating depth
or adjust tuner.
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B C - Consistent bullets good quality.
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I am old and boring. When I rebarrel my 6.5 CM. I put 41.5 grains of H4350 in my CCI450 primed Lapua and top it off with a 142 SMK.....
It always works for my gun. Always single digit SD half moa accuracy.
 
Here's my simplistic method for what it's worth but it has worked quite well for me for many years. Since I hate load development and testing and want to find a load with the least amount of testing, I pre-determine the desired accuracy level I need. For example, for varmint hunting I want at least 1/2 moa, for predator hunting, 3/4 moa and for deer hunting 1 1/2 moa.

1. I select a bullet weight that will meet my purposes. I've had my best success with Sierra and Nosler bullets and some limited success with Hornady.

2. I search published data for "accuracy loads". Normally these are stated by bullet manufacturers, i.e., Nosler and Sierra. From this data I select a powder to begin load development. The Lyman books is also useful for selecting a powder.

3. I've tried several brands of primers and they all seem to work for me. I prefer Federal but there's nothing wrong with CCI or Remington in my experience.

4. I always start with virgin cases that will be dedicated to that rifle. I've found that it's best if the cases have been fired at least once in that rifle. So, my load development is two phases, some initial testing to obtain some "ballpark" data and final testing to refine / confirm the load.

5. I start with powder charge at the low end of the published data and work up in 1/2 grain increments for small capacity cases such as the 223 and 1 grain increments for larger capacity cases such as the 308 watching carefully for pressure signs.

6. I seat bullets so they will at least fit the magazine, have at least one bullet diameter inside the case neck, and are no closer than 0.15" to 0.20" from the lands.

7. I shoot 3 shot groups off a high-quality front and rear rest at 100 yards. I allow 5 minutes between shots. I select a day / time of day where wind and mirage are minimal.

8. I take the load from the best group of these three shot groups and retest with three 5 shot groups to confirm. I like this phase of the testing to be done with once fired and sized cases.
 
Hey everybody, I wanted to start this thread to see everyone’s load development method(s) and what works for them. I’ve tried many methods including OCW, modified versions of OCW, the “Satterlee” method, my own version of both combined, and I’ve witnessed shooting buddies performing long range ladder testing. It also seems that everyone has their own way of doing things and some swear by their way, while others do equally well with a completely different strategy and method within the same discipline. I’ve tried many methods and have not been able to replicate the test results on separate days of testing with some of these methods.

Having said all of that, what do you guys do? I want to keep this thread on track and not have too much discussion or debates. I just want the down and dirty description of how you develop loads for your long range rifles. Whether it’s for hunting or competition or both. How many shots per charge? What charge increments for each load? Do you pay attention to ES/SD? What range do you do the testing? Do you repeat the test on separate days? Etc Etc. Thank you!
I feel a lot depends on just how much accuracy-precision one really intends to get out of their rifle. Some shooters are satisfied with 1 MOA, 3/4 MOA, etc. and some are not satisfied unless they're getting less than 1/4 MOA. In my case, since I don't shoot a fully customized rifle (factory rifle with a few mods to include a high end barrel), I look for ES's of less than 1/2 MOA and satisfied when getting consistently in the .3's, especially with my .308. Here's my way for getting there:

As part of my load development, I start by uniforming my brass. This starts with fire forming and goes on to uniforming primer pockets and turning necks and trimming to uniform length. Cases are annealed after every firing to maintain uniformity. I'll weigh the batch of cases and cull the outliers out so that the case volumes aren't too varied. Also, I'll sort my projectiles (quality one's like Berger or Sierra match grades) from base to the seating stem's contact point on the ogive so that seating depths will be consistent within +/- .001". I feel if I don't do these things first, it just makes it harder to see good results from OCW testing.

I like to start my OCW testing at about .010" off the lands. I'll load up 5 rounds each of charge weights in .3 gr increments. Though I've loaded up 5 rounds each, I'll fire just 3 rounds each at a different POA along a straight horizontal line. I'll use one of the extra rounds if I feel a shot wasn't done properly (like something to do with my mechanics that resulted in a POI that skews the test). For the first test, I'll choose a day for testing when weather conditions are relatively good, early in the morning, and is done at 100 yds to minimize the effects of outside variables. After this first test, I'll OCW test the same loads again at distance of 200 - 300 yds. and compare the results with the first test. I'll look for location and shape of the 3 shot groups. Once I figure I can identify an accuracy node, I'll load up 20 of them at that same seating depth and when I shoot them, I'll adjust the seating depths by .003" at the range to see what depth produces the tightest group. On another day, I'll repeat that to see if it compares that first test. Once I've found the seating depth that works well, I'll not change that load configuration until I see it's no longer working . . . which I've found can be quite a while (especially for a .308).

Note: Because of the projectile sorting that I do, when I use up a batch, I'll have to change my seating die setting so that my actual seating depth remains the same as the previous batch. I don't not pay any attention to jump once I've established a starting point (like the .010" I mentioned previously).

As far as chrono ES and SD's go, I only look to them for telling me how well I'm prepping my brass and weighing my powder. My goal is simply single digit SD's and low to mid teen SD's. I don't look to them to tell me anything about accuracy or precision on paper.
 
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Hey everybody, I wanted to start this thread to see everyone’s load development method(s) and what works for them. I’ve tried many methods including OCW, modified versions of OCW, the “Satterlee” method, my own version of both combined, and I’ve witnessed shooting buddies performing long range ladder testing. It also seems that everyone has their own way of doing things and some swear by their way, while others do equally well with a completely different strategy and method within the same discipline. I’ve tried many methods and have not been able to replicate the test results on separate days of testing with some of these methods.

Having said all of that, what do you guys do? I want to keep this thread on track and not have too much discussion or debates. I just want the down and dirty description of how you develop loads for your long range rifles. Whether it’s for hunting or competition or both. How many shots per charge? What charge increments for each load? Do you pay attention to ES/SD? What range do you do the testing? Do you repeat the test on separate days? Etc Etc. Thank you!
Heck yea !!! I love reading these posts
 
I think a lot of this answer depends on the criteria to define the optimum. Some like chrono (es, sd or "flat spot"), some like groups, some seek a node ( and what is the definition of the node). Need to be clear in this regard to insure understanding.
 
Read thru this thread and you will learn a lot. I follow the same basic principle but prefer to do it at 550-600yds.

 
Context is important. Am I loading ammo for a big game rifle? A varmint rifle? A PRS rifle? An F-Class rifle? It matters.

I'm sure half a dozen people can chime in on why I'm wrong.

First, I pick a bullet appropriate to the task at hand. Then I pick a powder that is temp-stable because anything else is just silly (yes, even for hunting, I've seen below freezing temps and 90+ during a week of elk hunting). Next I take my new Lapua brass (because I typically pick cartridges Lapua makes brass for!) and will lube the interior of the necks and expand them. Then chamfer and deburr them. I'll load my brass with CCI BR-2, BR-4, or occasional Federal GMM primers.

I'll determine an adequate starting load and roll that across the board for fire-forming. However, I do vary my seating depth from as long as will load without getting stuck in the lands (or as long as will fit in the magazine) and load 3 of varying COALs. How far the increments depends on the bullet type...experience gives clues for some bullets and you'll learn not to waste time/components.

Once I figure out the length the bullet likes to be loaded to, I will load shorter and longer in a smaller increment than previously. This may give me an idea of how tolerant that bullet will be. This gives me a chance to finish fire-forming enough brass to have something to work with.

Next, I'll load about nine rounds of each different charge weight, with the incremental changes dependent on case volume and using the longest COAL that still shoots well in the previous step. For instance, a .223 Rem case I will load 0.2 gr whereas a magnum I may do 0.4 gr. I'll try to shoot a single three-round group of each charge weight on three separate outings. I will pay attention both to group size and POI shift with the loads above and below.

Whatever shoots best over the three range trips, I will work 0.1gr increments above and below paying specific attention to any shifts in group size or POI. Once a load appears to be the winner, I will try to go shoot it at the longest range I can on multiple days to see if the load holds together. I used to have access to 750 yards, but now have 600 yards. Then I load more and continue to shoot. I will adjust as necessary.
 
Here is my method. I am a hunter. I don't shoot any competitions.

I start with brass that will be dedicated to the firearm. I pick a bullet that I want to use. I have 4 different manuals that I look at to determine what powders I am going to use for that bullet. I have a decent selection as I have a very wide variety of chamberings that I load for. Once I settle on 2-3 different powders, I load up 20 rounds with each powder, 5 rounds of each charge, increasing in .5 grain increments (four 5-shot groups is what I am going for).
I then shoot those loads at 200 or 300 yards, depending on the chambering and what I intend to hunt with that particular firearm. I fire steady 5-shot groups, about 1 minute between each round. I use a Caldwell Rock front rest and a Caldwell universal rear bag. When I find a load that prints a small group, I load up 25 rounds, in .2 grain increments with the original load in the middle. I then shoot those. 98% of the time, I find a load that shoots quite well. I then load up 100 of that load and shoot them to verify that I just didn't get lucky. During that 100 round testing, I chrono the load and determine the average muzzle velocity for use in creating my dope chart. I currently only have access to a 300 yard range, but when I had a 600 yard range at my disposal, I would verify the dope by shooting out to 600.

If, for some reason, I cannot find a good enough load with that bullet, I try a different bullet.

I realize that this method is pretty component intensive, but after 20 years of doing it this way, I have always been able to find loads that give me consistent less than MOA results, with the exception of a Model 7 in 260 that would not shoot Barnes bullets at all. I had to give up on that experiment.
 

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