jelenko
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Yeah, I know you did. I just had to confirm.
Dime size group at 100 yards off hand is something else!
Accuracy achieved from a factory rifle
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Dime size group at 100 yards off hand is something else!
With any factory barrel it's a lottery as to how good a barrel one gets with the rig that's bought. It looks like you've hit the jackpot as those are some nice groups for a factory barrel. If you want to get to .5 MOA or better, it can be done by replacing that factory barrel with a nice high end one. I was lucky too when I got my RPR as it produced similar results as yours an after a while I decided to swap the barrel out for a Krieger barrel that brought my groups well under .5 MOA. . . like usually in the .3's with my hand loads (good optics helped too).
JEFFPPC
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What I said was you had to shoot inside a dime to win. 1 shot. We did go to a 4 shot target where we paid 2 ways. Best score for the 4 shots and the best individual group. So with a 1 inch 10 ring there quit a few 39s and a few 40s every match. We travled all over Pa where ever we could find an offhand shoot or running deer shot. We often heard, We never saw guys shoot like you guys. More than once clubs quietly changed publicized shooting dates, lol.
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Yet it's something olympic 22 shooters have been doing for decades and with peep sights too although quite specialised ones. Mastering the 1oz trigger is quite challenging too !
You should be able to get to quarter moa or less with your current setup - brass prep and seating next if you don't want to take the jump to the ectuner just yet - but I can highly recommend... if you have the standard threading on yours and you are in the Pretoria area - PM me and we can arrange something.
coldboreshot
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I guess I am one of the lottery winners. I've been fortunate to have several factory rifles that have shot well into the sub 1/4's. Two that were very prominent were the Rem. 700 PSS 300wm and the Savage 10FP 308 20" barrel. Granted, the Federal GM match and Blackhills ammo's contributed to the cause. At any time when I did my part, the Savage would ahoot in the 1's. The OP's opening statement did refer to accuracy from a factory rifle, not the circus chimp pulling the trigger.
I love practical shooting. While I was never close to being that good off hand, I shot some 3 position rimfire at Penn State in the late 60's then later at a club in western PA. It was a lot of fun even though I could barely make sharpshooter class.
I found my calling in bulls eye pistol shooting, being introduced to it at Fort Belvoir in the early 70's while in the Army. Fell in love with it and continued to compete into the 70 thru 90's reaching Distinguished Expert rating. Had to give it up due to elbow problem in the mid 90's. This was some of the best shooting experiences I ever enjoyed - the comradery of our pistol team made it special.
Also did a lot of hunter's pistol silhouette shooting in western PA in the 70's and 80's. This was a lot of fun. Manage to reach AAA rating with a Model 17, S&W revolver. Those were the great days of shooting for me
JEFFPPC
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I shot for PSU in the mid 60s. I loved IMSA. 1 year I won the Pa State Championship in Standing big Bore, Standing revolver, and was on the way to a third and had a gun breakdown, did not get to finish that class. I have done a lot of different shooting and enjoyed most of it. A shooter by the name of Bill Zewe and I where battling in field pistol shooting ,38s and 39s every match while the hot shots in the far west were winning with 25 and 25. Bill shot a 40 and I hit 40 once but had center shoot on a pig nor fall on a muddy day. Shooter behind me hit it also, didn't fall, then they washed it and the rail. That was the last year I shot. I think Bill shot a couple more 40s before he switched to Cowboy Action matches. I really enjoyed our matches against each other, he is a fine gentleman.
A few years back ( 2008 or 2009) both Savage and Remington made a model they dubbed a police "sniper" rifle chambered in .308. A friend of mine had the Remington, I had the Savage and every Thursday for most of that summer we would have an unofficial match. We would average 1.5 inch 10 shot groups @ 200 yards shooting from bipods with rear bags prone. We shoot 4 targets each week and it would be a tossup as to which rifle won the most "matches". Lots of non serious fun with plenty of trash talk
I have only had commercial firearms. I went from 1971 to 2008 without firing a shot because the boss said no firearms in the house with kids. When the kids were gone I bought a Dick's Remngton 700 ADL Varmint in 223. Cheap plastic stock not free floated and the non adjustable version of the XMarkPro trigger. It took a couple of years for me to push the limits of that rifles accuracy which was aground .5 inches for 3 shots. I replaced the stock with a Choate Ultimate Varmint and the trigger with a Timmy 510 and now the rifle and rifleman is consistently sub .2 MOA for three shots and sub .4 MOA for five.
I also picked up a Rem 700 SPS tactical in 308 about 10 years ago. I replaced the stock with a B&C Light Tactical, the trigger with a Timmy 510 and added a clamp-on muzzle break. That rifle is better than I am but it easily can shoot 3 shots touching at 100 yds.
A 9 shot .7 group is a good grouping for the rifle system (including shooter) and a 3 shot group at 300m @ 1.2" is about .34 MOA. I would say that's a good rifle. If your stock isn't using an aluminum bedding block then there might be some room for improvement. If the trigger isn't smooth or light enough then there may be a little bit to be gained there.
You seem to have a good rifle and I wouldn't worry about it. I'd shoot it as is until I could consistently shoot tight groups where you know the limitation becomes the rifle. Then you can consider other changes.
I also picked up a Rem 700 SPS tactical in 308 about 10 years ago. I replaced the stock with a B&C Light Tactical, the trigger with a Timmy 510 and added a clamp-on muzzle break. That rifle is better than I am but it easily can shoot 3 shots touching at 100 yds.
A 9 shot .7 group is a good grouping for the rifle system (including shooter) and a 3 shot group at 300m @ 1.2" is about .34 MOA. I would say that's a good rifle. If your stock isn't using an aluminum bedding block then there might be some room for improvement. If the trigger isn't smooth or light enough then there may be a little bit to be gained there.
You seem to have a good rifle and I wouldn't worry about it. I'd shoot it as is until I could consistently shoot tight groups where you know the limitation becomes the rifle. Then you can consider other changes.
wildcatter
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Thank You Doug for this bucket of honesty for the new shooters here looking for TRUTH! I've never seen any factory rifle do that every time!
wildcatter
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This is one of the problems with kids and firearms responsibility today. Especially when they become adults!
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Grouping is not accuracy, but precision.
So what is your actual single shot cold bore accuracy?
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