ATF Confiscating Solvent Traps

[RKS]

I wonder if there's ever been a study of the average I.Q. of members of Congress. I'll bet it's below 100.

So what would that say about everyone else? The fact that they can accomplish what they do if that is so. Not much of a handicap.

You can sit and watch/listen to some actually quite brilliant people absolutely destroy and expose the foundation of what they are trying to accomplish and having success. So what else are these brilliant people doing that is anywhere as effective as the "idiots" are accomplishing other than explain the obvious and do little more than get their respective voters worked up? Quite the conundrum.

 

[AccelR8]

Some time ago I saw a clip on the U-Toob from some TV show or movie and these two bad guys were walking along with a crowd in an airport or something having a surreptitious gun battle...I mean right in among the crowd of people and none of them were aware of the gun fight going on around them because the two bad guys had silencers. The guns were silent.

So I guess many people would watch that and think OMG those people and by extension me are in mortal danger and they're not even aware of it.

We are letting people whose understanding (or more correctly lack thereof) is formed by entertainment, fiction, and fantasy instead of real world experience or even just general knowledge of how things work, make controlling decisions, either as law makers or as voters, over the lives of all of us.

I know a guy who is a Liberal with a decidedly leftist leaning and a very Hollywood-oriented guy. He said to me, “I want to shoot an AR15.” I'm taking him to the range Friday. Ya know, I think I'll take my (legally owned!) suppressor for a little demo. Try to change some minds.

 

[AccelR8]

So what would that say about everyone else? The fact that they can accomplish what they do if that is so. Not much of a handicap.

You can sit and watch/listen to some actually quite brilliant people absolutely destroy and expose the foundation of what they are trying to accomplish and having success. So what else are these brilliant people doing that is anywhere as effective as the "idiots" are accomplishing other than explain the obvious and do little more than get their respective voters worked up? Quite the conundrum.

Not quite sure I understand your point. I guess, half the people -half the voters- are below average intelligence.

 

[alf]

The proliferation of Solvent Traps made it possible to circumvent every established rule regarding suppressors with impunity. In the past, you could purchase the solvent trap and as long as you did not alter it prior to obtaining a tax stamp, everything was legal and above board.
A new commercially purchased suppressor cost over $500 and in many cases just under $1,000.
Solvent traps on the other hand cost less that $50.00. Own a drill and you can build your suppressor. That's something to think about. Do you think that maybe the commercial manufactures might have started all this by complaining to the ATF
I have seen solvent traps being used at the range. One shooter demonstrated a converted solvent trap and a high dollar suppressor. I couldn't tell the difference in noise level.

A few points......

The beauty of the Form 1 was that you could build a quality suppressor for half the cost or less of an over the counter Form 4 can, and approvals sometimes came back in as little as a week or two, compared to well over a year for Form 4's. There was a whole cottage industry of Form 1 builders sharing blueprints and results that equaled or exceeded performance of commercial cans.

Quality parts, tools, and jigs can exceed $500.00 for a build your own, when buying all titanium and/or hardened S/S parts. World of difference between these and your "$50" solvent trap kit & a drill. Quality commercial cans easily go well north of a grand.

It's asinine to think or suggest that there was a proliferation of illegal suppressors due to solvent traps, and that manufacturers are behind this fiasco.

ATF exists to enforce the laws, not make them, that's congress's job. Changing definitions is a blatant and illegal over reach of Biden's ATF.

 

[RKS]

Not quite sure I understand your point. I guess, half the people -half the voters- are below average intelligence.

I guess you didn't. There are several nuanced points in my statement.

Since I quoted you initially I will simply say that intelligence, either actual or perceived, doesn't have anything to do with it and I'll leave it at that.

 

[M-61]

I wonder if there's ever been a study of the average I.Q. of members of Congress. I'll bet it's below 100.

How about how many are veterans?
How many are combat veterans?

And then the Richard Blumenthal’s that are phony VietNam vets but get re-elected.
Want to puke?
Google : Senator Andrew Jackson May.

 

[mousegunner]

Isnt this the safer alternative to the "solvent" traps at issue or are these suspect as well?

You can disagree with me and that's fine but there's no way in my mind that those tubes with threaded ends weren't...how shall I put this..."Hey let's put out something that looks and could be used like a sil$%/÷- but it's a a "solvent" trap, yeah."

 

[Fuj]

With tube videos showing people screwing on oil filters to
their AR's, they will be next.....LOL

By the way, don't try it. the bottom of the cans are open for
oil flow, so I would imagine all that nasty gas coming back at
your face.....Hmmnnnn....,Invent oil can scatter shield and sell
as lamp base......

 

[22BRGUY]

Solvent traps, suppressors, silencers and even firearms are All inanimate objects,
Incapable in and of themselves of hurting, killing or injuring ANYONE!!
ANYONE Can place them on a table for oh...50, 75, or 100 years and they will not hurt, kill or injure ANYONE! If left alone.
I fail to see the logic of banning or regulating inanimate objects.
Will someone suddenly become a CRIMINAL when in the presence of one of these
objects that being a CRIMINAL was not in them before?? Will ANYONE who has or is in the presence of an ASSAULT WEAPON Suddenly start committing ASSAULTS because
that's what they are LABELLED?
Isn't that the same as saying people are Fat because they are in the presence of FOOD??
There are numerous inanimate objects that can be used to hurt, injure or kill others
including automobiles, baseball bats, and kitchen knives to name a few.
So where does it end with inanimate objects??
Where, if ANYWHERE does PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY Come in??

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Solvent traps, suppressors, silencers and even firearms are All inanimate objects,
Incapable in and of themselves of hurting, killing or injuring ANYONE!!
ANYONE Can place them on a table for oh...50, 75, or 100 years and they will not hurt, kill or injure ANYONE! If left alone.
I fail to see the logic of banning or regulating inanimate objects.
Will someone suddenly become a CRIMINAL when in the presence of one of these
objects that being a CRIMINAL was not in them before?? Will ANYONE who has or is in the presence of an ASSAULT WEAPON Suddenly start committing ASSAULTS because
that's what they are LABELLED?
Isn't that the same as saying people are Fat because they are in the presence of FOOD??
There are numerous inanimate objects that can be used to hurt, injure or kill others
including automobiles, baseball bats, and kitchen knives to name a few.
So where does it end with inanimate objects??
Where, if ANYWHERE does PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY Come in??

Stop with the logic

 

[joshb]

Emotion runs this game. Not logic or reason.

 

[wedgy]

Would a solvent trap get flagged as a "suspicious sale" ?

New York City officials urge credit card companies to track gun and ammo sales, flag 'suspicious' sales

New York City Mayor Eric Adams and state officials are calling on credit card companies like American Express, MasterCard and Visa to uniquely flag gun-related credit card purchases.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[NorCalMikie]

Would a solvent trap get flagged as a "suspicious sale" ?

New York City officials urge credit card companies to track gun and ammo sales, flag 'suspicious' sales

New York City Mayor Eric Adams and state officials are calling on credit card companies like American Express, MasterCard and Visa to uniquely flag gun-related credit card purchases.

www.foxbusiness.com

That's why you pay CASH!! If somebody is trying hard enough, let them track the serial # on a $20.00.

I guess, half the people -half the voters- are below average intelligence.

BINGO!! See what's on the tube and who's watching. 300 channels and nothing to watch.

 

[Bill K]

ATF is going to be real busy then, confiscating the traps from parts houses, auto/truck repair shops and other businesses that use them in fuel lines.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

ATF is going to be real busy then, confiscating the traps from parts houses, auto/truck repair shops and other businesses that use them in fuel lines.

And the mag light guys. We never talk about them. And the freeze plug retailers.

 

[Knotwild]

They are getting ready to inflate the IRS with $80 billion. They'll probably subsidize the ATF so they can pull up to our door in armored vehicles. But if you get hurt - remember - we still have Obamacare.

 

[boltfluter]

Solvent traps, suppressors, silencers and even firearms are All inanimate objects,
Incapable in and of themselves of hurting, killing or injuring ANYONE!!
ANYONE Can place them on a table for oh...50, 75, or 100 years and they will not hurt, kill or injure ANYONE! If left alone.
I fail to see the logic of banning or regulating inanimate objects.
Will someone suddenly become a CRIMINAL when in the presence of one of these
objects that being a CRIMINAL was not in them before?? Will ANYONE who has or is in the presence of an ASSAULT WEAPON Suddenly start committing ASSAULTS because
that's what they are LABELLED?
Isn't that the same as saying people are Fat because they are in the presence of FOOD??
There are numerous inanimate objects that can be used to hurt, injure or kill others
including automobiles, baseball bats, and kitchen knives to name a few.
So where does it end with inanimate objects??
Where, if ANYWHERE does PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY Come in??

Whoa there .22BR, don't be using common sense in this discussion, as it has no place in this day and age. Lmao! Couldn't have said it any better myself.

Paul

 

[cotntop]

What is most dangerous to the existence of your kids today, solvent traps or fentanyl. Priorities nowadays are screwed on backwards.

 

[Adam in WI]

Priorities nowadays are screwed on backwards.

Makes sense, them commie AK's use left hand threads

 

[ckaberna]

First of all, I am in complete agreement with the 2nd Amendment.

For many years, we have lived with the fact that certain aspects of firearms regulations were the law of the land. Well not really laws but rather rules and interpretations of ATF. Suppressors have been regulated by ATF as well as completely prohibited in many states.

Under existing rules, pay your $200.00 tax along with your application and after approval you could build your own suppressor or take possession of one you purchased.

The proliferation of Solvent Traps made it possible to circumvent every established rule regarding suppressors with impunity. In the past, you could purchase the solvent trap and as long as you did not alter it prior to obtaining a tax stamp, everything was legal and above board.

A new commercially purchased suppressor cost over $500 and in many cases just under $1,000. Solvent traps on the other hand cost less that $50.00. Own a drill and you can build your suppressor. That's something to think about. Do you think that maybe the commercial manufactures might have started all this by complaining to the ATF?

So the questions are many here. How many of you have bought a solvent trap and actually used it as a device to trap solvent???????

Why are the inserts included in a solvent trap? They aren't needed to simply trap solvent.

I have seen solvent traps being used at the range. One shooter demonstrated a converted solvent trap and a high dollar suppressor. I couldn't tell the difference in noise level.

While I am opposed in this new ruling, it is not hard to understand why it was enacted.

I see what your saying, question should be… why are suppressors included on the NFA regulations to start with?