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How do you do your temperature sensitivity testing for your loads?

Ok I'm a varmint shooter so I'm whacking chucks at 90 degrees F and other critters usually around 20 degrees F sometimes lower, rarely below 5 degrees F. I read about temperature sensitivity all the time but never in a satisfactory way about the parameters of the testing used to make the determination.

My school of thought for my ranges, 600- yards with my 6MM Remington and 350 yards with my 223 with 75 grain and 40 grain projectiles respectively that hyper velocities (high pressures) reduce time in flight and flatten trajectories at the ranges mentioned making hits more feasible. These loads are near max a 65,000 PSI for my 6MM and 63,000 for my 223 so there's no headroom for increased pressure in heat.

I work loads in summer heat, when I find a keeper I test 20 or so by letting them sit on the bench in the sun until evenly browned, uncomfortably hot to the touch. I shoot, clock and zero at 3" high at 300 yards for the 6MM and on at 300 for the 223. I reduce the load if pressure signs appear and do it again if needed.

When I shoot at 20 degrees F with the same load in the winter I don't change my hold. This is a basic safe to shoot anywhere test.

In my opinion to make a test that has reasonable validity one would need a single load of 100 rounds, shoot 50, clocked, grouped and pressure tested after being subjected to the high heat for 24 hours. Then repeat the process at the low temperature. If you're mapping several temperatures this needs repeated for each temperature, for powder choices also. I can say from over 50 years in the field as long as my summer load is not too hot all is well.

Except for ball powder in my 30 Carbine high pressures not the issue, ignition and cycling is, magnum primerscsolve this.
 
I'm in Texas where my weather concern is extreme heat. Similar to you, I do my load development during the peak heat of summer looking for 95F or hotter days. I am looking for a node where the group sizes stay tight over a range of velocities. I load toward the higher end of the node knowing that the cartridge is safe and accurate at high heat and as temps drop I know the round will hold accuracy as velocity decreases with cooler weather. I use a Labradar to capture velocities. During the winter I take the same load back to the range during bone-chilling cold (35F) and capture the velocity and confirm target performance. All other times throughout the year I am capturing data on the load as it is being used. Every time the rifle comes out then at least 15-20 rounds get fired... lots of data. This all gets documented in my reloading data sheet and eventually there are data points for every 10F-15F for a load. This is my process for general purpose hunting, plinking and bulk ammo.

When a new lot of powder gets opened you have to re-test to see if there is materially different in combustion energy. This wasn't even in my thought process when I was a less experienced reloader. A safe load recipe can suddenly become unsafe at the same temp...

Oh Yeah - I don't use powders that have Temperature Inversion issues. I like to keep it simple... Hotter means faster and Cooler means slower.
 
I'm in Texas where my weather concern is extreme heat. Similar to you, I do my load development during the peak heat of summer looking for 95F or hotter days. I am looking for a node where the group sizes stay tight over a range of velocities. I load toward the higher end of the node knowing that the cartridge is safe and accurate at high heat and as temps drop I know the round will hold accuracy as velocity decreases with cooler weather. I use a Labradar to capture velocities. During the winter I take the same load back to the range during bone-chilling cold (35F) and capture the velocity and confirm target performance. All other times throughout the year I am capturing data on the load as it is being used. Every time the rifle comes out then at least 15-20 rounds get fired... lots of data. This all gets documented in my reloading data sheet and eventually there are data points for every 10F-15F for a load. This is my process for general purpose hunting, plinking and bulk ammo.

When a new lot of powder gets opened you have to re-test to see if there is materially different in combustion energy. This wasn't even in my thought process when I was a less experienced reloader. A safe load recipe can suddenly become unsafe at the same temp...

Oh Yeah - I don't use powders that have Temperature Inversion issues. I like to keep it simple... Hotter means faster and Cooler means slower.
Have you seen big swings in MV from winter to summer for your powder/bullet combo?
 
I don't concern myself with temp stability powders.
When doing testing I shoot continously through the whole test without cool downs for barrel. I believe this helps me understand how load is going to preform under extreme conditions with long strings of fire.
 
Have you seen big swings in MV from winter to summer for your powder/bullet combo?
For the most part I haven't seen anything worth worrying about as temps drop. I now just really pay attention for a wide node that may hold for +0.5gr of powder (+50fps). Even at coldest I see it is within 1/2" of zero no material issue for hunting hogs or deer in winter... A quick run to the range and scope is re-zeroed for lower velocity (winter weather) before a hunting trip.

I'm with BZ - I use the powders that the gun likes and just make load decisions with safety margins during development.
 
Like you, I hunt in all weathers, varmints in summer predators in the fall and winter with the same rifles / loads. A few comments on your post:

I wouldn't purposely "cook" my reloads. Besides the potential danger does that really accurately represent the exposure of your ammo in the summer? I carry my ammo in an Uncle Mike's ammo carrier which shields the spare ammo from direct sunlight. I have never had an occasion where the ammo feels "hot" to the touch, warm, but not hot and I hunt in the 90+ temps too.

The way I deal with seasonal / temperature changes in to check my rifles at the range when the season change. Since I spend a fair amount of time on the range in all seasons this works for me. I have noticed some changes from season to season but since I use only "stick" powder, I'm not sure if the changes are to do changes in air density or powder reaction to the temperature changes, perhaps a little of both.

Bottom line, I verify my scope settings periodically even throughout the season. Varmints have a relatively small vital area so I personally wouldn't adjust my scopes on the basis of "charts" without verifying the adjustment at the range.

PS: The only time this has become a significant issue for me is when I used ball powders. I stopped using them many years ago.
 
Like you, I hunt in all weathers, varmints in summer predators in the fall and winter with the same rifles / loads. A few comments on your post:

I wouldn't purposely "cook" my reloads. Besides the potential danger does that really accurately represent the exposure of your ammo in the summer? I carry my ammo in an Uncle Mike's ammo carrier which shields the spare ammo from direct sunlight. I have never had an occasion where the ammo feels "hot" to the touch, warm, but not hot and I hunt in the 90+ temps too.

The way I deal with seasonal / temperature changes in to check my rifles at the range when the season change. Since I spend a fair amount of time on the range in all seasons this works for me. I have noticed some changes from season to season but since I use only "stick" powder, I'm not sure if the changes are to do changes in air density or powder reaction to the temperature changes, perhaps a little of both.

Bottom line, I verify my scope settings periodically even throughout the season. Varmints have a relatively small vital area so I personally wouldn't adjust my scopes on the basis of "charts" without verifying the adjustment at the range.

PS: The only time this has become a significant issue for me is when I used ball powders. I stopped using them many years ago.
I don't test my cartridges for how I treat them, I test them for what may incidentally happen to them. A 120% proof of 65,000 PSI that's a 78,000 PSI . That's 13,000 PSI headroom.

I just let them heat up on the bench nice and hot on a hot day and test so they don't incidentally cause an issue. I carry my ammo in a case inside my hunting jacket and I think I'd notice if I got that hot. However shit happens, and I prefer it not to be explosive diarrhea.
 
I don't test my cartridges for how I treat them, I test them for what may incidentally happen to them. A 120% proof of 65,000 PSI that's a 78,000 PSI . That's 13,000 PSI headroom.

I just let them heat up on the bench nice and hot on a hot day and test so they don't incidentally cause an issue. I carry my ammo in a case inside my hunting jacket and I think I'd notice if I got that hot. However shit happens, and I prefer it not to be explosive diarrhea.
Didn't mean to offend you. If you have an approach that works for you then that's good. Different strokes for different folks. ;) I thought you were seeking some advice, so I gave mine, but I freely admit I'm no expert.

An ammo carrier can help in the field. I have one that attaches to my belt with a flap on it. It shields the ammo from direct sunlight which helps. So, the temperature effect on the ammo is somewhat the same as at the range, i.e., just ambient heat, not direct sun on the cartridges. Therefore, I get a fairly accurate representation of how it will perform in the field when I shoot at the range.

Not saying it can't happen with stick powder, but the only time I had a significant pressure surge was with H380 in a 22 250 on a 90+ summer day. Had some noticeable temperature effects with H335 in a 223 Rem but not significant. Significant being defined as hard bolt lift and extractor marks on the case head.
 
Didn't mean to offend you. If you have an approach that works for you then that's good. Different strokes for different folks. ;) I thought you were seeking some advice, so I gave mine, but I freely admit I'm no expert.

An ammo carrier can help in the field. I have one that attaches to my belt with a flap on it. It shields the ammo from direct sunlight which helps. So, the temperature effect on the ammo is somewhat the same as at the range, i.e., just ambient heat, not direct sun on the cartridges. Therefore, I get a fairly accurate representation of how it will perform in the field when I shoot at the range.

Not saying it can't happen with stick powder, but the only time I had a significant pressure surge was with H380 in a 22 250 on a 90+ summer day. Had some noticeable temperature effects with H335 in a 223 Rem but not significant. Significant being defined as hard bolt lift and extractor marks on the case head.
No offense taken, I'm just a bit careful because I may not be the one getting hurt. My inquiry is mainly because I've heard alot about temperature sensitivity but almost nothing about how they proceeded with testing. Many times just computer simulation.
 
I loaded 223 to 26.x grains with H335 (less that Sierra V max) which shot well at 70F. Later in the summer the load was in a black ammo can on the tailgate in the sun on a 95F day. after about 30 min I h=shot one round and proceeded to remove the fired case with a 2x4 wedge and a mallet.

Lesson learned. I don't recommend this type of test. I now use extruded powders and stay away from max loads when developing loads in the spring, winter, and fall. I haven't had an issue since.

AS a varmint shooter you really need to stay with medium loads and probably need summer and winter loads. IN the summer you are likely to be dealing with hot chambers with loaded rounds. THis is just common sense.
 
As stated by K22, my load development is usually in spring/summer.
Summer shooting is usually at the range, or the occassional coyote.
At the range my ammo is in MTM cases.
Uncle Mikes belt carrier when hunting.
During winter hunts, i carry extra ammo in an inside pocket of my jacket and switch it out with the ammo in the rifle after a period of time.

Oh, and @Bc'z, i use RL17 & Fed 210M primers.
18°f morning had me taking a doe at 413 yards. 7mm-08AI, 140gr Berger VLD. She made it 20 yards.

93°f using 257 Roberts & 100gr Ballistic Tips. (Accidentally grabbed the wrong ammo. Meant to grab the 90gr BlitzKings. Hard to tell blue from green in the dark.)
Took mom coyote &1 of the pups out at 220yards. 2 other pups ran off & stopped at 400. One more shot & only 1 pup ran into the woods.
 
I loaded 223 to 26.x grains with H335 (less that Sierra V max) which shot well at 70F. Later in the summer the load was in a black ammo can on the tailgate in the sun on a 95F day. after about 30 min I h=shot one round and proceeded to remove the fired case with a 2x4 wedge and a mallet.

Lesson learned. I don't recommend this type of test. I now use extruded powders and stay away from max loads when developing loads in the spring, winter, and fall. I haven't had an issue since.

AS a varmint shooter you really need to stay with medium loads and probably need summer and winter loads. IN the summer you are likely to be dealing with hot chambers with loaded rounds. THis is just common sense.
I'm using Reloader 19 for the 6MM Remington and H322 for the 223. I test them in extreme heat just for the reason you mention. I have no intention of carrying my ammo in any manner that would subject it to extreme heat but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

In PA summer days can be 80F to 95F and they both clock 3,900 FPS average in those Temps. The 6 is using a 75 grain VMAX and the 223 a 40 grain VMAX. I tested them with their respective powders (both are extruded) both using the direct sunlight exposure on the bench method. Both loads are MAX pressure and I believe I get away with it because that pressure was worked and tested hot.

I don't change things for PA winters, generally 20F to 45F. A crow at 400 is a tiny but I have little trouble with them summer or winter.
 
No offense taken, I'm just a bit careful because I may not be the one getting hurt. My inquiry is mainly because I've heard alot about temperature sensitivity but almost nothing about how they proceeded with testing. Many times just computer simulation.

I'm using Reloader 19 for the 6MM Remington and H322 for the 223. I test them in extreme heat just for the reason you mention. I have no intention of carrying my ammo in any manner that would subject it to extreme heat but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

In PA summer days can be 80F to 95F and they both clock 3,900 FPS average in those Temps. The 6 is using a 75 grain VMAX and the 223 a 40 grain VMAX. I tested them with their respective powders (both are extruded) both using the direct sunlight exposure on the bench method. Both loads are MAX pressure and I believe I get away with it because that pressure was worked and tested hot.

I don't change things for PA winters, generally 20F to 45F. A crow at 400 is a tiny but I have little trouble with them summer or winter.
I'm a PA resident too - eastern PA :) but the hog hunting has taken a huge hit due to over development and changes is farming practices where many of the long rolling hay field are gone. So much corn now it looks like Iowa in my area!

However, the predator hunting is on the rise - lots of foxes and coyotes increasing.
 
I'm a PA resident too - eastern PA :) but the hog hunting has taken a huge hit due to over development and changes is farming practices where many of the long rolling hay field are gone. So much corn now it looks like Iowa in my area!

However, the predator hunting is on the rise - lots of foxes and coyotes increasing.
Similar situation here, in the 55 years I've been in the fields the last 20 to 25 years has seen terraced fields screw up the wind patterns and view of the field of fire. There are areas where wind tunnels exist and if you don't know they exist it screws you up.
 
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Temps sensitive powders are not even thought about for me. Never worry about if my cartridge is cold or hot, just load and shoot them.
Run over 6k into pdogs yearly, don't shoot comps, so it's a non issue for how I shoot, load, test. Long as it's accurate is main goal.
 

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