TheOtherZilla
Pull my finger
I am not getting too worked up over this. From what I read there is no penalty for not having it. And I see a court case over turning this mess of a mandate.
San Jose becomes 1st in US to require gun liability insurance
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An acquaintance of my father flew to Arkansas, rented a truck, drove it to CA, packed it up and drove it back to AR and saved thousands. He will not be a liability in AR.
Same math as Sotomayor's 100,000 kids in hospitals, when the real number was less than 4,000.
joshb
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I watched the Sunday Morning show. It’s the national broadcast. They had a story bit on the proposal that “some folk” had too much money, how much money was “enough” for one person to have and how the poor “average citizen” was “struggling”. I heard the rumblings of Communism in the background being broadcast across the land.
itchyTF
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Wow!! It took me a lot longer than minutes to mill out an AR lower.
Brians356
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More accurately the eastern 5/6 of the state, same for Washington.
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Brians356
Silver $$ Contributor
I watch as much Supreme Court argument as I can on C-Span. It'll be interesting to see if this legal tactic will rise to SCOTUS review. They're currently conferring on the challenge to NY State's "good reason" gun carry requirement, which could be a momentous victory.
www.discoursemagazine.com
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The High Stakes of the Supreme Court Gun-Carry Case
The Court’s forthcoming ruling could significantly change gun laws throughout the U.S.
www.discoursemagazine.com
I don’t know how you do it? I would rather drink bleach than watch that stuff.I watch as much Supreme Court argument as I can on C-Span. It'll be interesting to see if this legal tactic will rise to SCOTUS review. They're currently conferring on the challenge to NY State's "good reason" gun carry requirement, which could be a momentous victory.
-The High Stakes of the Supreme Court Gun-Carry Case
The Court’s forthcoming ruling could significantly change gun laws throughout the U.S.
TheOtherZilla
Pull my finger
Brians356
Silver $$ Contributor
For many if not most of us, we're most concerned about SCOTUS appointments when voting, as Presidents come and go, the pendulum swings, but Justices are forever (essentially). And the Court is the great backstop. So how could I not be interested in the hearings on the most critical questions of our time?
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wildcat3d
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San Jose becomes 1st in US to require gun liability insurance, city officials say
It's unclear when it goes into effect, but, "Tonight San José became the first city in the United States to enact an ordinance to require gun owners to purchase liability insurance, and to invest funds generated from fees paid by gun owners into evidence-based initiatives to reduce gun violence...abc7.com
SAN JOSE, Calif. -- Gun owners will soon be required to carry liability insurance and pay a fee in the city of San Jose that officials say would be the first of its kind in the United States, following a trend of other Democratic-led cities that have sought to rein in violence through stricter rules.
The City Council voted on the plan Tuesday, but it is unclear exactly when it goes into effect.
After the vote, San Jose Mayor Sam Liccardo released a statement, saying in part, "Thank you to my council colleagues who continue to show their commitment to reducing gun violence and its devastation in our community."
The Firearm Policy Coalition says it will fight the new law, calling it "burdensome, unconstitutional, and prohibited by California law" to law-abiding, firearm-owning citizens.
"Since San Jose's recalcitrant City Council members don't believe that the United States Constitution applies to them or their citizens, Firearms Policy Coalition and our members are now committed to fight the City's outrageous and offensive policies in federal litigation and take every possible action to block their enforcement," the group said.
"San Jose has an opportunity to become a model for the rest of the nation to invest in proven strategies to reduce gun violence, domestic violence and suicide and the many other preventable harms from firearms in our communities," San Jose Mayor Sam Liccardo said at a news conference Monday.
Other similar laws have been proposed but San Jose would be the first city in the country to pass one, according to Brady United, a national nonprofit that advocates against gun violence.
The now-passed ordinance is part of a broad gun control plan that Liccardo announced following the May 26 mass shooting at the Santa Clara Valley Transportation Authority rail yard that left nine people dead, including the employee who opened fire on his colleagues then killed himself.
Having liability insurance would encourage people in the 5,500 households in San Jose who legally own at least one registered gun to have gun safes, install trigger locks and take gun safety classes, Liccardo said.
The liability insurance will cover losses or damages resulting from any negligent or accidental use of the firearm, including death, injury, or property damage, according to the ordinance. If a gun is stolen or lost, the owner of the firearm would be considered liable until the theft or loss is reported to authorities.
The requirement won't apply to current and retired law enforcement officers or those with a license to carry concealed weapons.
The $25 fee will be collected by a yet-to-be-named nonprofit to be used for firearm safety education and training, suicide prevention, domestic violence, and mental health services.
Those who don't insure their weapons will face unspecified fines.
Sam Paredes, executive director of Gun Owners of California, said before the official vote that his group will sue if the proposal takes effect, calling it "totally unconstitutional in any configuration."
"We have freedom of religion, you can't tax religion. We have freedom of association, we can gather together and we can't be taxed," he said. "The same is true with the Second Amendment. You can't put preconditions on it."
Liccardo said gun violence costs San Jose taxpayers $40 million a year in emergency response services.
"The Second Amendment protects every citizen's right to own and possess a gun. It does not mandate that taxpayers subsidize that right," Liccardo said. He said some attorneys have already offered to defend the city pro bono.
However the proposal does not address the massive problem of illegally obtained weapons that are stolen or purchased without background checks.
An increasing number of violent crimes nationwide are also being attributed to "ghost guns," the untraceable firearms made from build-it-yourself kits that can be assembled in minutes.
In 2019, ghost guns were associated with a fraction of gun-related deaths in San Francisco but the following year, nearly 50% of guns recovered in homicide cases were ghost guns, San Francisco District Attorney Chesa Boudin said. In Los Angeles, the police department said the number of ghost guns it seized had increased by about 400% since 2017.
The San Jose Police Department could not say how many of the more than 200 gunfire deaths and injuries annually involved firearms obtained illegally. "Communist state" and spreading......
NETim
Curmudgeon-at-large
There is already an excess of criminals, that they choose to support.
The radical dems are in the process of exploring routes, to target the law abiding citizens.
The radical dems are in the process of exploring routes, to target the law abiding citizens.
Is their a GoFund me set up anywhere that we can contribute to the explosives needed to break Comifornia away from the continental US land mass. I’m not wanting anyone to get harmed simply giving them an opportunity to swim in their own crap pond all alone and free us from their insane way of thinking.
One Eye Pete
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It will end for California when enough companies like Tesla and Oracle and Charles Schwab move out.
It will end for NY when the subways get so violent that workers in the financial district can't get to work safely. Or when the state is so strapped for tax revenue that they levy a tax on stock transactions. Then the NYSE and the rest of the financial companies will relocate and NY City will become a welfare wasteland.
Small businesses are already closing up in NY and California cities because there is no longer stiff enough penalties to prevent shoplifting on a grand scale and armed looting.
But never mind that, all of this is the fault of LEGAL gun ownership!!!!!! Lets face it these two states have gone out of their way to pass laws to keep the criminals safe.
It will end for NY when the subways get so violent that workers in the financial district can't get to work safely. Or when the state is so strapped for tax revenue that they levy a tax on stock transactions. Then the NYSE and the rest of the financial companies will relocate and NY City will become a welfare wasteland.
Small businesses are already closing up in NY and California cities because there is no longer stiff enough penalties to prevent shoplifting on a grand scale and armed looting.
But never mind that, all of this is the fault of LEGAL gun ownership!!!!!! Lets face it these two states have gone out of their way to pass laws to keep the criminals safe.
Just like what happens in my country Australia .
it is absolutely pathetic some nut does something wrong people like you and me are automatically blamed when literally thousands are killed in car accident every year and that is acceptable not to mention medical deaths .
No matter what angle I look at this I just cannot understand it.
ronsatspokane
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And eastern Oregon, and southern Illinois, and most of Minnesota, and most of New York state, and western Mass and large parts of Penn state. This has become an Urban versus Rural battle for control of the Constitution and the narrative. As more and more people pile into the Urban areas it becomes clear that state boarders are located in the wrong locations.
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