Redding Type S sizing die

[46490]

I am using a Redding Type S sizing die in the Dillon 550. I fired 1 round and I am in the process of setting up this die. I have the bottom of the die all the way down to barley touching the shell plate and I can not get the case to sized down enough to hold a bullet. I am also using a .324 bushing and this does not help. Do I need to run the die down past the shell plate to squeeze the neck down enough to seat a bullet? This is my first Redding die and is there something I am missing?

 

[olddav]

I’m guessing you need a smaller bushing. What caliber are you loading?

 

[NZ_Fclass]

I use a Dillon and Redding dies. The thickness of the shell plate does present a challenge, and yes on some calibres the die is screwed right down. I load 223 regularly on mine - and BR, 308 etc.
Check that the bushing is held down tight and not moving up with the case.
Again - what calibre? I cannot figure it out from the 324 bushing size.

 

[dogdude]

^^ 30 BR ^^

 

[6ShotsOr5?]

We can’t tell what size bushing you need if we don’t know how thick your necks are. As for setting up the die, if you have the die adjusted to barely bump your shoulders, then the neck should be seeing the bushing. When you drop the bushing into the die, there is a part that you tighten down until it contacts the bushing. Then you back that off about 1/16 of a turn. You should be able to barely hear the bushing rattle when you have it set right. Measure some necks before and after sizing to see how much your bushing is sizing the necks. Then measure again after seating some bullets.

 

[NZ_Fclass]

^^ 30 BR ^^

Sorry - no specific experience with that cartridge, but I would expect any 308 cal bushing to be in the 330-334 range
i.e.
.308 plus 2 times neck thickness. so below 334 by a thou or so according to brass and desired neck tension. I suspect a 324 bush is not letting the fired neck enter?

 

[hoz53]

I am using a Redding Type S sizing die in the Dillon 550. I fired 1 round and I am in the process of setting up this die. I have the bottom of the die all the way down to barley touching the shell plate and I can not get the case to sized down enough to hold a bullet. I am also using a .324 bushing and this does not help. Do I need to run the die down past the shell plate to squeeze the neck down enough to seat a bullet? This is my first Redding die and is there something I am missing?

one thing you may be confused about is you run the die down to push the
shoulder back/size case -not to size the neck. for that like has been said you need to get the correct bushing. the redding instructions tell you how. sometimes i have to actually get a little camover with the coax to get enough sizing

 

[Bill Norris]

Sorry - no specific experience with that cartridge, but I would expect any 308 cal bushing to be in the 330-334 range
i.e.
.308 plus 2 times neck thickness. so below 334 by a thou or so according to brass and desired neck tension. I suspect a 324 bush is not letting the fired neck enter?

His brass necks should be turned down to .098 wall thickness for the chamber of his 30BR (.330) which would afford the use of .324 .325. & .326 bushings as needed for a loaded neck diameter of .327

 

[NZ_Fclass]

His brass necks should be turned down to .098 wall thickness for the chamber of his 30BR (.330) which would afford the use of .324 .325. & .326 bushings as needed for a loaded neck diameter of .327

Thanks, Bill.

 

[46490]

I use a Dillon and Redding dies. The thickness of the shell plate does present a challenge, and yes on some calibres the die is screwed right down. I load 223 regularly on mine - and BR, 308 etc.
Check that the bushing is held down tight and not moving up with the case.
Again - what calibre? I cannot figure it out from the 324 bushing size.

30BR. I have read that the bushing needs to float to keep the neck centered. Am I missing something?

 

[6ShotsOr5?]

30BR. I have read that the bushing needs to float to keep the neck centered. Am I missing something?

The float is the reason you back off ~ 1/16 turn after contacting the bushing when setting up the die. The slight rattle that you can hear when you shake the die confirms your bushing is floating.

 

[NZ_Fclass]

30BR. I have read that the bushing needs to float to keep the neck centered. Am I missing something?

I was more concerned that the bushing was not being held securely in the die, say 1/4 in too high.

 

[46490]

Thanks, Bill.

I have just remeasured a fired case: .323OD case neck, 1.123 at shoulder to base, .007 neck thickness,.327 OD for neck and bullet seated in a non fire formed case. I also took all of the movement out of the .324 bushing (up and down) and tried to resize the neck - no luck, also set the die below the shell plate and no luck. Checked to see if the expander mandrel would do anything - the neck is wider than the expander. I did verify that my other cases had a turned neck of .009 - but I am worried that when fire formed I won't be able to resize the necks to the proper size to hold a bullet with the proper tension. What am I doing wrong? This is for a 30BR.

 

[JFrank]

Measure a loaded round and THEN deduct or calculate your bushing size

 

[OmegaRed]

Color the neck with a sharpie. If it's not rubbing marker off it's not sizing the neck.

 

[Bill Norris]

"I also took all of the movement out of the .324 bushing (up and down) and tried to resize the neck - no luck, also set the die below the shell plate and no luck. "

That is totally over my pay grade. I do not understand why the brass neck will not enter the bushing. I have necked down .308 brass to .243 with Redding type S dies with no problem at all.

 

[Bill Norris]

OP said "I have just remeasured a fired case: .323OD case neck,"

A fired case from my 30BR measures .3285 or a tad more.
My neck wall thickness is .098
My loaded round neck dia. is .327ish.

 

[358WCF]

I have just remeasured a fired case: .323OD case neck, 1.123 at shoulder to base, .007 neck thickness,.327 OD for neck and bullet seated in a non fire formed case. I also took all of the movement out of the .324 bushing (up and down) and tried to resize the neck - no luck, also set the die below the shell plate and no luck. Checked to see if the expander mandrel would do anything - the neck is wider than the expander. I did verify that my other cases had a turned neck of .009 - but I am worried that when fire formed I won't be able to resize the necks to the proper size to hold a bullet with the proper tension. What am I doing wrong? This is for a 30BR.

Going by the questions I think you're asking, & the information you've given:

You have 2 different batches of brass with 2 neck thicknesses & are wondering why one bushing wont work with some of it?

.007 + .007 + .308= .322 How could a .324 bushing possibly do anything to size these necks?

.009 + .009 + .308= .326 A .324 bushing could be a starting place with this brass.

Where did the .327 loaded dimension come from? Where did the .323 fired dimension come from? Shouldn't loaded neck diameter be smaller than fired neck diameter? We cant figure out the answer to your problem without correct data.

Not being a smart ass, but are you using a caliper to measure? Do you own a micrometer?

 

[Bill Norris]

Where did the .327 loaded dimension come from? Where did the .323 fired dimension come from? Shouldn't loaded neck diameter be smaller than fired neck diameter? We cant figure out the answer to your problem without correct data.

Yea, these numbers here are skewed somehow when compared to my 30BR. Need to re-check these for sure.

 

[NZ_Fclass]

I'm at a loss. I have no issues with loading my 6BR on a Dillon etc etc. The only thing that I can think of - which may sound silly... is this a 30BR die-OR a mislabelled die from Redding? Using a 308 die would show the same symptoms. Mis measure or not the neck should be getting sized in that bushing.