Primers Hazmat Transport Rules and UPS

[skeeljc]

The Hazmat fee goes to the retailer. Just another way to profit. They could eliminate it if they wanted to.

 

[DogBuster]

Being a retired UPS driver....drove pkg delivery for 27 yrs...retired in 2011

All drivers are trained in haz mat delivery....annually

Drivers that have haz mat pick up locations...such as Midway are trained for that

UPS charges the shipper the haz mat fee...for all the extra handling/training...was $20-28 per pkg

Thus these fees are passed along to the consumer....

Yes...primers & smokeless powder can be shipped in same carton..up to a certain amount

I never had a haz may pick up account on my route...but special conditions exist for the driver & shipper

Hope this makes sense

 

[moorepower]

Hazmat fee are total BS. It was started back in the late 1980’s by UPS’s insurance underwriters, Lloyds of London, on the possibility of an accident in one of the shipping centers or delivery trucks, although to the best of my knowledge, UPS never had an incident. Just a scam to siphon money from the public.

You are totally wrong, totally wrong! It's a govt requirement, period. I have worked there 34 years and I was there for the first training. There is over 600,000 hours a year of required training involved, plus all of the paperwork and govt required record keeping involved for the DOT. Nothing to do with any insurance. The shippers also have to be trained in hazmat and have a permit to ship, for the DOT.

 

[moorepower]

Not all "Commercial Drivers" have a Haz-Mat certificate , or "rating" on their license . It requires a special test be taken and passed . And it costs extra , beyond regular license fees . Why would you want someone blastin around your town with explosives who isn't knowledgeable in the handling or transport of them ?

Every UPS employee is trained in Haz Mat, including all part time loaders and unloaders. I am not 100% sure about the contract hires that deliver out of their personal vehicles for overflow, but any driver wearing brown and every part time employee is trained

 

[Shrek]

Being a retired UPS driver....drove pkg delivery for 27 yrs...retired in 2011

All drivers are trained in haz mat delivery....annually

Drivers that have haz mat pick up locations...such as Midway are trained for that

UPS charges the shipper the haz mat fee...for all the extra handling/training...was $20-28 per pkg

Thus these fees are passed along to the consumer....

Yes...primers & smokeless powder can be shipped in same carton..up to a certain amount

I never had a haz may pick up account on my route...but special conditions exist for the driver & shipper

Hope this makes sense

As a former UPS Delivery and feeder driver I can tell you there is real jeopardy for ups if anything is wrong with the paperwork. UPS spent years under court supervision because of hazmat paperwork. Back in the early 90’s a federal inspector went to a UPS facility in NY and was left waiting for quite awhile. She was pissed off ! She got picky with the paperwork and wrote $80,000,000 in fines in that one UPS center. UPS ended up settling for a few million and court supervision training program that lasted years. There’s real costs involved. I’m still driving but as an owner operator. Friend got pulled over and they decided to to cut the bolt seal on a container she had picked up at the rail. She had no idea what was in the container as normal be of us do. It had a small amount of Hazardous materials inside. She paid a $10,000 fine and nearly lost her license. I hate pulling hazmat because the little extra paid isn’t worth the legal risks.

 

[RoDog]

totally

Being a retired UPS driver....drove pkg delivery for 27 yrs...retired in 2011

All drivers are trained in haz mat delivery....annually

Drivers that have haz mat pick up locations...such as Midway are trained for that

UPS charges the shipper the haz mat fee...for all the extra handling/training...was $20-28 per pkg

Thus these fees are passed along to the consumer....

Yes...primers & smokeless powder can be shipped in same carton..up to a certain amount

I never had a haz may pick up account on my route...but special conditions exist for the driver & shipper

Hope this makes sense

Ive been with UPS almost 35 years. This company is out of control, it's not the same company I remember. It's a sh*t show working there now.

 

[XTR]

As a former UPS Delivery and feeder driver I can tell you there is real jeopardy for ups if anything is wrong with the paperwork. UPS spent years under court supervision because of hazmat paperwork. Back in the early 90’s a federal inspector went to a UPS facility in NY and was left waiting for quite awhile. She was pissed off ! She got picky with the paperwork and wrote $80,000,000 in fines in that one UPS center. UPS ended up settling for a few million and court supervision training program that lasted years. There’s real costs involved. I’m still driving but as an owner operator. Friend got pulled over and they decided to to cut the bolt seal on a container she had picked up at the rail. She had no idea what was in the container as normal be of us do. It had a small amount of Hazardous materials inside. She paid a $10,000 fine and nearly lost her license. I hate pulling hazmat because the little extra paid isn’t worth the legal risks.

I didn't know the back story, and I can't verify this one, but I have always heard that back in the 90s UPS got hit with the biggest fine ever levied by DOT. I'd been told it was mostly for training violations and that it was in the millions. I remember when my local UPS center in Oliver Springs, TN required all hazmat packages to be open and inspected prior to acceptance.

There is definitely a cost to the companies to deal with hazmat.

I'm the guy there with the freight trying to make sure everyone is in compliance before the packages leave. (mine are usually class 7 (radioactive), but that's another story)

 

[moorepower]

Ive been with UPS almost 35 years. This company is out of control, it's not the same company I remember. It's a sh*t show working there now.

No business in the world can double the workload overnight and expect to be the same. At least they don't put us on a 70 hour clock until November! Folks, if you think it's bad now, just wait and see if FedEx and UPS try to make us all get the clot shot. I have 34 1/2 years in, fyi

 

[D-4297]

If you go back and read my comment on this issue , It began ; "Not all commercial Drivers".......Nowhere did I signify UPS , or any other trucking carrier . My remark was based solely , and strictly on the added complexities of obtaining a Haz-Mat rating . Nothing more .

 

[Shrek]

Ive been with UPS almost 35 years. This company is out of control, it's not the same company I remember. It's a sh*t show working there now.

The sh*tshow really started when UPS went public in the 90’s. Pretty soon after that most of the old line management cashed in and retired. Then came the requirement for management to have a college degree. Now the company is run by bean counters. Glad I’m long gone from Big Brown !

 

[DogBuster]

Ive been with UPS almost 35 years. This company is out of control, it's not the same company I remember. It's a sh*t show working there now.

yep....remember the day I started for Brown...Jan 10 '85.....hired on full time

When I left 11-28-11...right before peak...big wig boss from GJ CO asked me..

'what's the chances of you staying through peak?'

Told him 'not a snowball's chance in hell'

Was a great career for 27 years...but I was done with it

Especially having 45 mile commute each way..then my route was 200 mile loop

One good thing I lived on my route....don't miss all the BS with big brown...

Pic..... last pkg of my career !

 

[Shrek]

yep....remember the day I started for Brown...Jan 10 '85.....hired on full time

When I left 11-28-11...right before peak...big wig boss from GJ CO asked me..

'what's the chances of you staying through peak?'

Told him 'not a snowball's chance in hell'

Was a great career for 27 years...but I was done with it

Especially having 45 mile commute each way..then my route was 200 mile loop

One good thing I lived on my route....don't miss all the BS with big brown...

Pic..... last pkg of my career !

I haven’t met any retirees from UPS that miss the place...only thing I miss is the paychecks. Other than the pay it was a terrible place to work imo.