Lost rifle in Mesa, Arizona Area

[Nick Caprinolo]

First step, contact ATF for permission and trace number, so says the book.

Is that a requirement for dealers? The general public would hardly know that.

 

[hoz53]

A little OT but, does that mean I can do a road trip to one of those "6 states", and if I find a gun that I'am looking for, pay "CASH", walk out the door without any of the FFL BS?
Buying "out of state" seems to be a No No? Just asking for a friend.

There are rules for out of state purchases- you always have to fill out a 4473, i think,since that is federal.

 

[tmwinds]

Ever hear of this. A secret shared among two people can only be kept a secret if one kills the other.

By law,Ttere is no gun registry in the US. If there were, we would know about it. The ATF is a large agency comprised of all types of folks. Some liber and some very conservative. Someone would surely blow the whistle.

Law enforcement must wait many months, in most cases, in order to complete a trace and it requires help from several agencies. First step is FBI contact. The FBI then contacts the manufacturer in an effort to learn the distributer of the weapon. The distributer then supplies the company they sold the weapon to. The selling company or gun store must have on record all past sales and will supply that information back up the chain. Under normal circumstances this could take and usually does, many months.

So what happens if the selling dealer went out of business? Well all their records must be sent to the ATF. The ATF must store the records. Last I heard, they had a large warehouse full of boxes with defunct dealers records. These must be searched manually.

For Law enforcement to go through this process simply to find the owner of a lost firearm requires a lot of manpower hours. Do you really think they are going to do this?

If a firearm is used in the commission of a homicide or a serious robbery you can bet your soul they will do so but in all other cases they will simply take possession of the found firearm and place in in their firearm locker. In most cases it will be destroyed after a certain waiting period.

So if you find a firearm, I would make every effort to find the owner except by contacting law enforcement. Even a very valuable firearm will be destroyed in most circumstances and is a waste.

Nick, I always enjoy reading your posts. You’re always straight forward and factual . I don’t know but I suspect you have a background in law enforcement.

 

[pirate ammo]

Is that a requirement for dealers? The general public would hardly know that.

Only law enforcement can start a trace and only with permission from ATF, dealers and the general public can not do it at all. So says the BOOK.

 

[hoz53]

This is for me and you, FBI does background checks not ATF. Type only given to FBI, no make, no number no caliber. All that is put on the 4473 by the dealer and he keeps it almost forever, and what's even better in the great state of TEXAS if you have a CHL there's no check, just do the paper work and it goes nowhere. Now in order for law enforcement to start a firearms trace they have to get permission from the ATF, they can not just do it by themselves. If others don't believe that part get a copy of the ATF firearms tracing guide, hell I got 15 of them. Oh I forgot, in Florida it's the FDLE that does the checks. Only firearm I misplaced was in 400 fathoms of water no finding that one.

Thanks for the info Pirate- I think you know i was commenting on the CA- DROS paperwork.

 

[pirate ammo]

Thanks for the info Pirate- I think you know i was commenting on the CA- DROS paperwork.

10-4, that's why I posted different.

 

[hoz53]

Ever hear of this. A secret shared among two people can only be kept a secret if one kills the other.

By law,Ttere is no gun registry in the US. If there were, we would know about it. The ATF is a large agency comprised of all types of folks. Some liber and some very conservative. Someone would surely blow the whistle.

Law enforcement must wait many months, in most cases, in order to complete a trace and it requires help from several agencies. First step is FBI contact. The FBI then contacts the manufacturer in an effort to learn the distributer of the weapon. The distributer then supplies the company they sold the weapon to. The selling company or gun store must have on record all past sales and will supply that information back up the chain. Under normal circumstances this could take and usually does, many months.

So what happens if the selling dealer went out of business? Well all their records must be sent to the ATF. The ATF must store the records. Last I heard, they had a large warehouse full of boxes with defunct dealers records. These must be searched manually.

For Law enforcement to go through this process simply to find the owner of a lost firearm requires a lot of manpower hours. Do you really think they are going to do this?

If a firearm is used in the commission of a homicide or a serious robbery you can bet your soul they will do so but in all other cases they will simply take possession of the found firearm and place in in their firearm locker. In most cases it will be destroyed after a certain waiting period.

So if you find a firearm, I would make every effort to find the owner except by contacting law enforcement. Even a very valuable firearm will be destroyed in most circumstances and is a waste.

thats alot of good info everyone should know. thanks

 

[pirate ammo]

How to trace a firearm 101: Who may trace a firearm?

 

[Nick Caprinolo]

How to trace a firearm 101: Who may trace a firearm?View attachment 1284833

The bottom paragraph seems to apply only for dealers or law enforcement agencies. There are no provisions for private individuals.

 

[joshb]

There are rules for out of state purchases- you always have to fill out a 4473, i think,since that is federal.

I was a little concerned when I became a Texas resident but still spending a few months in Delaware. Could I buy a gun in De. and walk out the door with it? I found out. Yes for rifles!

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

One of the things the Dems want to change, no individual privacy, your firearms in public database. No real "public safety" value just another layer of regulation to discourage purchasing/possession. Part of the larger red flag laws.

 

[Nick Caprinolo]

I bought a Remington 700, 22-250 in Delaware two years ago and walked out of the store with it. No problem

 

[Bill K]

for those that don't believe the ATF/FBI don't have serial numbers, name of person buying, etc on guns sold, stop and think then, just how do they, trace a firearm to the make, model, serial # and person buying it, when they trace a firearm recovered or obtained at a crime scene or arrest ? The good old government knows more than you think and do have records.

 

[Nick Caprinolo]

for those that don't believe the ATF/FBI don't have serial numbers, name of person buying, etc on guns sold, stop and think then, just how do they, trace a firearm to the make, model, serial # and person buying it, when they trace a firearm recovered or obtained at a crime scene or arrest ? The good old government knows more than you think and do have records.

Did you read my previous post???????

 

[pirate ammo]

The bottom paragraph seems to apply only for dealers or law enforcement agencies. There are no provisions for private individuals.

Dealers are left out also.

 

[pirate ammo]

for those that don't believe the ATF/FBI don't have serial numbers, name of person buying, etc on guns sold, stop and think then, just how do they, trace a firearm to the make, model, serial # and person buying it, when they trace a firearm recovered or obtained at a crime scene or arrest ? The good old government knows more than you think and do have records.

Read what Nick posted ATF/FBI don't have the numbers unless the dealer has went out of business or died or both somehow, then the 4473s have to be sent to the ATF. Want the address?

 

[dellet]

Most of what's being discussed concerns tracing the sale.

What is the procedure for firearms reported lost or stolen?

Is that information more available, or is it the same weeks to months for answers?

 

[pirate ammo]

Most of what's being discussed concerns tracing the sale.

What is the procedure for firearms reported lost or stolen?

Is that information more available, or is it the same weeks to months for answers?

They are tracing the firearm and it's all the same only law enforcement can do it, lost, stolen, or whatever.
And yes, sometimes it can take quite awhile.

 

[dellet]

They are tracing the firearm and it's all the same only law enforcement can do it, lost, stolen, or whatever.
And yes, sometimes it can take quite awhile.

That kind of sucks.

Reported stolen this morning, recovered in the next county tomorrow, and nobody knows who it belongs to for a few days/weeks/months/years.

Probably using the post office to exchange information

 

[pirate ammo]

Probably using the post office to exchange information

actually if you read the last paragraph of the page I posted it does mention the USPS. You can only laugh.