Lost rifle in Mesa, Arizona Area

[D55]

Hope the lost rifle finds it's way home.

 

[nakneker]

I knew a guy that said if you come home and all your things are packed up in suitcases sitting outside, you we’re A-ok. He said though if you came home and everything you own is strung out in the yard and the dogs are sleeping on it, you had big troubles!

Ahahahahaha. I like it!

 

[joshb]

Ahahahahaha. I like it!

I thought you were in real trouble when your stuff was piled in the front yard.....on fire.

 

[LCazador]

Local law enforcement can check serial # and see who it is registered in a few minutes. Then you could go from there and see what the registered owner says. LE can even tell if it has been reported and listed as stolen. Maybe the thief, if stolen, got cold feet and just left it out like that.

there's gun registration going on? Those 4473's are being registered?

 

[hoz53]

Local law enforcement can check serial # and see who it is registered in a few minutes. Then you could go from there and see what the registered owner says. LE can even tell if it has been reported and listed as stolen. Maybe the thief, if stolen, got cold feet and just left it out like that.

they can? i thought when you bought a rifle your name and serial # were on the 4473 sitting in the dealers shop/computer only— Silly me- am i that nieve or what. when they do the nics check all that info the dealer gives them is supposed to be erased- but mabie not

 

[hoz53]

I thought you were in real trouble when your stuff was piled in the front yard.....on fire.

itd be alot of work for all your stuff to get hauled out there.

 

[Adam in WI]

Probably easier for her to take her stuff and just set the house on fire if'n I had to guess

 

[acloco]

they can? i thought when you bought a rifle your name and serial # were on the 4473 sitting in the dealers shop/computer only— Silly me- am i that nieve or what. when they do the nics check all that info the dealer gives them is supposed to be erased- but mabie not

The AT & F do not ask for the serial number, just type of NUG (long nug or pistola).

 

[Bill K]

Why do you think you fill out the DROS paperwork, when you buy a firearm ?

 

[dhagerty40]

Why do you think you fill out the DROS paperwork, when you buy a firearm ?

DROS is California Only! Most states do not have gun registration (only 6 states have gun registration). and Arizona only does a NICS check. So, it may be able to lookup in California, it is not possible in other states.

One Thing though, The area that Rifle was found is in an area known to attract out of state hunters, so it may not belong to an Arizona resident.

 

[GotRDid]

Going back and reading the updates sounds like people have offered quite a few good ideas to find the owner. Rifle has not been claimed as of now. Hopefully it’s finds its way home, sounds like a very nice rifle and I’m sure the owner is sick.

Side note. When I was a teenager we went on a hunt to the Book Cliffs in Utah for mule deer. Fantastic hunt, two big bucks were killed and the mood coming home was hunter joy and celebration. One of the guys who killed one of the big bucks pulled in his driveway and saw several shiny things reflecting off his headlights sticking up in the trash barrel, which was his entire firearm collection. Talk about a kill joy, the was the last hunt he ever went on and that’s a true story.

All I can say about that scenario is that they did not stop making women when that B;tch was born.
Happy to pack her up and ship her out.

 

[hoz53]

The AT & F do not ask for the serial number, just type of NUG (long nug or pistola).

ok

 

[hoz53]

DROS is California Only! Most states do not have gun registration (only 6 states have gun registration). and Arizona only does a NICS check. So, it may be able to lookup in California, it is not possible in other states.

One Thing though, The area that Rifle was found is in an area known to attract out of state hunters, so it may not belong to an Arizona resident.

it would seem the person who lost the rifle would contact the local and state police in the area to find out if it was turned in. could be more to the story.

 

[hoz53]

DROS is California Only! Most states do not have gun registration (only 6 states have gun registration). and Arizona only does a NICS check. So, it may be able to lookup in California, it is not possible in other states.

One Thing though, The area that Rifle was found is in an area known to attract out of state hunters, so it may not belong to an Arizona resident.

yeah we dont have such paperwork here.

 

[pirate ammo]

yeah we dont have such paperwork here.

This is for me and you, FBI does background checks not ATF. Type only given to FBI, no make, no number no caliber. All that is put on the 4473 by the dealer and he keeps it almost forever, and what's even better in the great state of TEXAS if you have a CHL there's no check, just do the paper work and it goes nowhere. Now in order for law enforcement to start a firearms trace they have to get permission from the ATF, they can not just do it by themselves. If others don't believe that part get a copy of the ATF firearms tracing guide, hell I got 15 of them. Oh I forgot, in Florida it's the FDLE that does the checks. Only firearm I misplaced was in 400 fathoms of water no finding that one.

 

[NorCalMikie]

(only 6 states have gun registration). and Arizona only does a NICS check.

A little OT but, does that mean I can do a road trip to one of those "6 states", and if I find a gun that I'am looking for, pay "CASH", walk out the door without any of the FFL BS?
Buying "out of state" seems to be a No No? Just asking for a friend.

 

[Nick Caprinolo]

Ever hear of this. A secret shared among two people can only be kept a secret if one kills the other.

By law,Ttere is no gun registry in the US. If there were, we would know about it. The ATF is a large agency comprised of all types of folks. Some liber and some very conservative. Someone would surely blow the whistle.

Law enforcement must wait many months, in most cases, in order to complete a trace and it requires help from several agencies. First step is FBI contact. The FBI then contacts the manufacturer in an effort to learn the distributer of the weapon. The distributer then supplies the company they sold the weapon to. The selling company or gun store must have on record all past sales and will supply that information back up the chain. Under normal circumstances this could take and usually does, many months.

So what happens if the selling dealer went out of business? Well all their records must be sent to the ATF. The ATF must store the records. Last I heard, they had a large warehouse full of boxes with defunct dealers records. These must be searched manually.

For Law enforcement to go through this process simply to find the owner of a lost firearm requires a lot of manpower hours. Do you really think they are going to do this?

If a firearm is used in the commission of a homicide or a serious robbery you can bet your soul they will do so but in all other cases they will simply take possession of the found firearm and place in in their firearm locker. In most cases it will be destroyed after a certain waiting period.

So if you find a firearm, I would make every effort to find the owner except by contacting law enforcement. Even a very valuable firearm will be destroyed in most circumstances and is a waste.

 

[ND shooter]

Ever hear of this. A secret shared among two people can only be kept a secret if one kills the other.

By law,Ttere is no gun registry in the US. If there were, we would know about it. The ATF is a large agency comprised of all types of folks. Some liber and some very conservative. Someone would surely blow the whistle.

Law enforcement must wait many months, in most cases, in order to complete a trace and it requires help from several agencies. First step is FBI contact. The FBI then contacts the manufacturer in an effort to learn the distributer of the weapon. The distributer then supplies the company they sold the weapon to. The selling company or gun store must have on record all past sales and will supply that information back up the chain. Under normal circumstances this could take and usually does, many months.

So what happens if the selling dealer went out of business? Well all their records must be sent to the ATF. The ATF must store the records. Last I heard, they had a large warehouse full of boxes with defunct dealers records. These must be searched manually.

For Law enforcement to go through this process simply to find the owner of a lost firearm requires a lot of manpower hours. Do you really think they are going to do this?

If a firearm is used in the commission of a homicide or a serious robbery you can bet your soul they will do so but in all other cases they will simply take possession of the found firearm and place in in their firearm locker. In most cases it will be destroyed after a certain waiting period.

So if you find a firearm, I would make every effort to find the owner except by contacting law enforcement. Even a very valuable firearm will be destroyed in most circumstances and is a waste.

Good info. Thanks

 

[pirate ammo]

First step is FBI contact.

First step, contact ATF for permission and trace number, so says the book.

 

[pirate ammo]

So what happens if the selling dealer went out of business?

Told my wife that when I die burn the place down, roast hotdogs and marshmallows.