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22 BR

wboggs

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I would like some advice on building a 22 BR to shoot 75-90 bullets. I have a trued R700 and it seems to me that a new 7tw barrel woul be a fairly simple conversion.
Anyone have experience with this cartridge using the heavier bullets? How hard is it to obtain dies?Thanks
Bi
 
I just put one together. I had great luck with 80.5 Berger’s and H4895. I ran out of H4895 so I’m about to test some IMR 4895 with the 80.5s to see how it does. It’s an awesome little round.
 
I just put one together. I had great luck with 80.5 Berger’s and H4895. I ran out of H4895 so I’m about to test some IMR 4895 with the 80.5s to see how it does. It’s an awesome little round.
Where did you get your dies?
 
I would like some advice on building a 22 BR to shoot 75-90 bullets. I have a trued R700 and it seems to me that a new 7tw barrel woul be a fairly simple conversion.
Anyone have experience with this cartridge using the heavier bullets? How hard is it to obtain dies?Thanks
Bi
I bought some 257 weatherby stuff off of you Bill. I think it was one of my first purchases. You will truly love the 22 BR. Mine is a no turn 1-12 that I shoot 52 grain Bergers in and it is my best shooting rifle. Forming cases is as easy as running a Lapua 6 BR case 9=(New) in a 22 BR die. Mine is a forester bought either from Grafs or Midway probably maybe Sinclair.
I don't have any custom action centerfires They are mainly Remington, my Nephew Kyle Nicol built mine and I just shoot for fun but I love to shoot small groups. Gary Gore
 
Nice to hear from you Gary.
You just form from 6br brass using a Forester full length die with no neck turning? There is no thickening of the neck?
Have you been using the .257Wby? In my younger days it was a great long range hunting round for me.
Thanks
Bill
 
I shoot Nosler 85 RDFs out of my 7 twist 22br on a Weber action. Nice little round.

Are you going to use it as a repeater?
 
If you intend to try Berger 90 VLDs or Hornady 88 ELDMs, be sure you get a 0.219"/0.224" barrel, rather than a 0.218"/0.224". Even with a 7.0-twist, which is not an exceptionally fast twist rate for those bullets, you will run a substantial risk of jacket failures at the velocities obtainable with the 22BR cartridge when using a tighter 0.218" bore barrel. Obviously, barrel length, land/groove configuration, and probably several other factors play a role in jacket failure, especially if a few of them are right on the edge. Nonetheless, the issue of jacket failures with the long heavy .224" bullets seems to be largely abrogated with a 0.219" bore.
 
If you intend to try Berger 90 VLDs or Hornady 88 ELDMs, be sure you get a 0.219"/0.224" barrel, rather than a 0.218"/0.224". Even with a 7.0-twist, which is not an exceptionally fast twist rate for those bullets, you will run a substantial risk of jacket failures at the velocities obtainable with the 22BR cartridge when using a tighter 0.218" bore barrel. Obviously, barrel length, land/groove configuration, and probably several other factors play a role in jacket failure, especially if a few of them are right on the edge. Nonetheless, the issue of jacket failures with the long heavy .224" bullets seems to be largely abrogated with a 0.219" bore.

If you intend to try Berger 90 VLDs or Hornady 88 ELDMs, be sure you get a 0.219"/0.224" barrel, rather than a 0.218"/0.224". Even with a 7.0-twist, which is not an exceptionally fast twist rate for those bullets, you will run a substantial risk of jacket failures at the velocities obtainable with the 22BR cartridge when using a tighter 0.218" bore barrel. Obviously, barrel length, land/groove configuration, and probably several other factors play a role in jacket failure, especially if a few of them are right on the edge. Nonetheless, the issue of jacket failures with the long heavy .224" bullets seems to be largely abrogated with a 0.219" bore.
Thank you Ned. I am beginning to see to disadvantages of the heavy bullets requiring a fast twist. For a light recoil fun cartridge out to 1000 max., do you think I would be better off with less case capacity and velocity around 2700 with this type bullet? Your opinion of milder loads in the br to achieve this?
Thanks again.
Bill
 
I would like some advice on building a 22 BR to shoot 75-90 bullets. I have a trued R700 and it seems to me that a new 7tw barrel woul be a fairly simple conversion.
Anyone have experience with this cartridge using the heavier bullets? How hard is it to obtain dies?Thanks
Bi
You might find my log interesting and informative: https://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/my-new-22br.3981971/

I went 7 twist, Bartlein 5R, and it blows up everything I feed it. My second barrel is a 7.7 twist that is still on the shelf, but I'm hopeful it will not do the same thing. I will try the 90 class with it, but have a supply of 80s that I plan to move to.
 
Thank you Ned. I am beginning to see to disadvantages of the heavy bullets requiring a fast twist. For a light recoil fun cartridge out to 1000 max., do you think I would be better off with less case capacity and velocity around 2700 with this type bullet? Your opinion of milder loads in the br to achieve this?
Thanks again.
Bill
Unless you're planning on using a 28-30"+ barrel with really hot loads, the 0.219" bore should do the trick. None of the 88/90/95 gr .224" offerings require any faster than a 7.0-twist barrel to perform well. When shooting out to 1000 yd, those bullets offer by far the best resistance to wind deflection, and I would generally select one of them unless there was some good reason not to. However, I shoot these bullets from a .223 Rem F-TR rifle, which is not capable of generating the velocities capable with the .22 BR cartridge. For the same reason, higher BC to mitigate wind deflection is an important consideration with the .223 Rem. Although mild loads in the .223 Rem can certainly work, there's no reason you should have to go that route with the .22 BR unless jacket failure is an issue. On the other hand, even a mild load in the .22 BR would probably be close in performance to a stout .223 Rem load, so if you're more comfortable going that route, I don't see why it couldn't work well. I typically run the 90 VLDs in .223 Rem to fire-form virgin brass using a reduced load; ~2750-2775 fps versus around 2830-2840 fps for a full-pressure competition load (30" barrel). They shoot exceedingly well even in a reduced load. Other alternatives might be either the Berger 80.5 gr Fullbore or 85.5 Hybrid bullets. They seem far less prone to jacket issues, likely due to their shorter bearing surfaces.

The jacket failure issues sometimes observed with .224" heavies can certainly be problematic. It seems to be less of a problem with shorter barrels (i.e 26" or less), with twist rates of no faster than 7.0, with a 0.219" bore barrel, and/or with a land/groove configuration such as 5R rifling, which seems to be a bit easier on jackets. I wouldn't let the potential for jacket failure deter me from at least trying the heavier offerings. As long as the barrel takes the above listed considerations into account, they will probably work just fine. Even in the worst case scenario if you experienced any jacket failures, you could always go back to one of the slightly lighter bullets in that setup without any problems. So it's not as though setting up the rifle to shoot the heavies will preclude its use with slightly lighter bullets. However, once you've observed firsthand what a bullet such as the 90 VLD with its higher BC can do relative to the slightly lighter weight bullets from 600 to 1000 yd, I think you'll be convinced that they're worth at least trying.
 
Unless you're planning on using a 28-30"+ barrel with really hot loads, the 0.219" bore should do the trick. None of the 88/90/95 gr .224" offerings require any faster than a 7.0-twist barrel to perform well. When shooting out to 1000 yd, those bullets offer by far the best resistance to wind deflection, and I would generally select one of them unless there was some good reason not to. However, I shoot these bullets from a .223 Rem F-TR rifle, which is not capable of generating the velocities capable with the .22 BR cartridge. For the same reason, higher BC to mitigate wind deflection is an important consideration with the .223 Rem. Although mild loads in the .223 Rem can certainly work, there's no reason you should have to go that route with the .22 BR unless jacket failure is an issue. On the other hand, even a mild load in the .22 BR would probably be close in performance to a stout .223 Rem load, so if you're more comfortable going that route, I don't see why it couldn't work well. I typically run the 90 VLDs in .223 Rem to fire-form virgin brass using a reduced load; ~2750-2775 fps versus around 2830-2840 fps for a full-pressure competition load (30" barrel). They shoot exceedingly well even in a reduced load. Other alternatives might be either the Berger 80.5 gr Fullbore or 85.5 Hybrid bullets. They seem far less prone to jacket issues, likely due to their shorter bearing surfaces.

The jacket failure issues sometimes observed with .224" heavies can certainly be problematic. It seems to be less of a problem with shorter barrels (i.e 26" or less), with twist rates of no faster than 7.0, with a 0.219" bore barrel, and/or with a land/groove configuration such as 5R rifling, which seems to be a bit easier on jackets. I wouldn't let the potential for jacket failure deter me from at least trying the heavier offerings. As long as the barrel takes the above listed considerations into account, they will probably work just fine. Even in the worst case scenario if you experienced any jacket failures, you could always go back to one of the slightly lighter bullets in that setup without any problems. So it's not as though setting up the rifle to shoot the heavies will preclude its use with slightly lighter bullets. However, once you've observed firsthand what a bullet such as lot for you the 90 VLD with its higher BC can do relative to the slightly lighter weight bullets from 600 to 1000 yd, I think you'll be convinced that they're worth at least trying.
Thanks a lot for the insighhts and information. Very helpful. I had no idea you could obtain those velocities in a .223.
Bill
 
You might find my log interesting and informative: https://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/my-new-22br.3981971/

I went 7 twist, Bartlein 5R, and it blows up everything I feed it. My second barrel is a 7.7 twist that is still on the shelf, but I'm hopeful it will not do the same thing. I will try the 90 class with it, but have a supply of 80s that I plan to move to.
Thank you Evan. Very detailed info and I will review it carefully. That is a lot of work you did and I appreciate the effirt you put into it.
 
I own two .22 BR rifles. I shoot them at paper at 540 yards (back of the range) and ground squirrels in the spring. The more expensive Shehane stocked Rem-700 is waiting on Bartlein to build a new barrel. I reject the "No Turn" philosophy. I have had more success in the .20 PPC built from Norma .22 PPC and Lapua .220 Russian. I want a neck that allows partial neck sizing to center the cartridge in the chamber. The Wilson neck dies (bushing) are very good for this. I also like my Redding .22 BR bushing die for case forming and shoulder bumping. I have a "full length" Forster size die but it works the neck too much for my taste. My taste is one and a half thousandths of neck tension. I am turning necks to twelve thousandths. I use 6mm Lapua cases for the .22 BR and Norma cases for my .20 BR so I can mix them when tumbling in steel pins. After the first firing, be sure to anneal. If you are not an expert annealer, get help from someone at your local gun club.
 

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I own two .22 BR rifles. I shoot them at paper at 540 yards (back of the range) and ground squirrels in the spring. The more expensive Shehane stocked Rem-700 is waiting on Bartlein to build a new barrel. I reject the "No Turn" philosophy. I have had more success in the .20 PPC built from Norma .22 PPC and Lapua .220 Russian. I want a neck that allows partial neck sizing to center the cartridge in the chamber. The Wilson neck dies (bushing) are very good for this. I also like my Redding .22 BR bushing die for case forming and shoulder bumping. I have a "full length" Forster size die but it works the neck too much for my taste. My taste is one and a half thousandths of neck tension. I am turning necks to twelve thousandths. I use 6mm Lapua cases for the .22 BR and Norma cases for my .20 BR so I can mix them when tumbling in steel pins. After the first firing, be sure to anneal. If you are not an expert annealer, get help from someone at your local gun club.
Thank you sir.
What are the specs on your new Bartlein barrel?
What chamber reamer are you using? Your experience with bullet selection?
Thanks again.
Bill
 
I have a 22BR I put together. It’s on a Rem 700 SA with a Krieger 7.5 twist in a heavy Palma. It shoots very well. It’s a .272 neck and I use a 6BR bushing die with the bushing changed to what I need.
8208 XBR and Sierra 77gr TMK bullets work great in this rifle.
 
I have a 22BR I put together. It’s on a Rem 700 SA with a Krieger 7.5 twist in a heavy Palma. It shoots very well. It’s a .272 neck and I use a 6BR bushing die with the bushing changed to what I need.
8208 XBR and Sierra 77gr TMK bullets work great in this rifle.
What chamber reamer did you use and what is the freebore?
Thanks
Bill
 

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