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Ercot uses a free market system to manage power supply on the Texas grid. Every 15 minutes they publish a bid for electricity generation. If any power provider accepts the bid, ALL power providers are paid the same for the power they generate during the bid period. During forecast shortages, raising the bid has the effect of motivating generation plants that are sitting idle for any reason, to come online with power as quickly as possible, including further draining already critically low reservoirs to generate hydroelectric power as we saw some years ago during a several years long drought.

Texas power plants are not profitable until demand soars to near capacity, as it often does in summer, and bids raise in response to demand. Like Black Friday is the day brick and mortar businesses turn profitable, August is the month power providers look forward to to break even or even make a profit. That is why they shut down in winter for cleaning and repairs in preparation for summer demand, which makes for a perfect storm of power shortages when severe weather arrives.

This system was set up in the early 20th century specifically to supply power to big business at the lowest possible cost, and it is why no winter hardening has take place even after many like events over the years. There is no built in system to promote investment in hardening the supply like there is in other markets across the nation. That will likely change in the coming months once the Congress decides who'll pay for the upgrades. Residential consumers will likely be asked to cover some of the cost.

For a more indepth look into the catastrophe and the moment the stuff hit the fan at ERCOT.


I see they've edited this article to remove the screen shot of the energy board at ERCOT. I'll post it below as soon as I can get the technology to work.
 

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Texas has created its own island power grid. Everywhere except the entergy controlled beaumont area is an island so when texas power plants freeze up texas has no power. We’re working on getting power over to centerpoint so that will help you. Sorry youre having to go thru this its been hitting -5 here at night, foot of snow on the ground and another foot coming tonite. Its 16deg now and feels like a heat wave
When you compare Texas' power generation to that of the surrounding states, it's logical for them to have their own grid. Texas produces about five times more power than any of their neighbors. There's lots of blame to go around for the blackout but Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana didn't have any excess capacity that would have solved Texas' problem. In fact, they'd probably have cut Texas off to preserve capacity for their own customers.
 
I heard on the radio that Texas has 70 power plants that are not being used. I know a few years ago they shut down Fairfield and Monticello.

I am a HVAC Contractor in Fort Worth. We mainly do commercial HVAC. We also take care of a few residence for customers homes and people we know. Energy cost wise if you have natural gas you are better off than electric heat, in our part of the country. You can also use a small generator to run 110v a gas furnace takes. If you have straight electric heat strips and no heat pump, bend over and get ready. A heat pump draws less energy that straight electric heat strips especially if you have high KW heat strips. We changed out my step sisters straight electric unit in a 2 story house to 2 heat pumps, one upstairs and one down stairs and her electric bills in the winter went from $600 a month to $260. She also has a pool and pool pumps pull also of energy. She had a couple of bill that were $800 before we changed the units out. The drawback to a heat pump is the colder it gets the less heat (BTU's) they put out. If you have a heat pump, there should also be electric heat strips in your fan coil (indoor unit). I have mine set up as auxiliary heat for extra heat when the heat pump needs it and emergency heat when its to cold for the heat pump. I usually turn off my heat pump and turn on the Emergency heat about 28 degs ambient temp. I had my emergency heat on for the last week or so. So I'm waiting to see what my electric bill is. I'm with Johnson County Coop and my electric usually isn't that bad. It usually runs about $200 during peak demand months. My house is about 2,400 sq ft and is total electric (which I hate) and I have a 1,200 sq ft shop on that also.
 
When you compare Texas' power generation to that of the surrounding states, it's logical for them to have their own grid. Texas produces about five times more power than any of their neighbors. There's lots of blame to go around for the blackout but Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana didn't have any excess capacity that would have solved Texas' problem. In fact, they'd probably have cut Texas off to preserve capacity for their own customers.
We had one plant, very much a baseload, with one unit down for over a day. It was teetering on a blackout situation
 
The one nearest me on a lake I fish regularly has been shut down for several years. It started out as an oil fired plant, then switched to N.G. Then they removed the oil storage tanks and put of solar panels. There's talk of dismantling it, or upgrading, depending upon the political winds that blow at any given time.
 
"This winter storm was kinda the equivalent here to having a major hurricane in the Great Plains and Rocky Mountains."

Yep! Well said!

Remember when "Super Storm Sandy" hit? In South East Texas we wouldn't even bothered with a hurricane party.......


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This guy signed up for electric power billing through some company I've never heard of before - gridder. This dude made the national NBC Nightly News broadcast this evening (minutes ago). NBC reporter said they're contacted gridder for comment without yet receiving a reply ...

He was trying to beat the system and lost. It was on his vacation home.
 
He already paid it. @Brians356 owes me a weeks pay.
Check's in the mail. But I'm retired, so ... ;-)

Besides, it ain't over 'til it's over. A lot of such people being forced into bankruptcy will elicit calls for investigation and redress. There could be some form of bailout or stay order, with power companies left holding an empty bag.
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Our utility CPS has a significant ownership interest in the Bay City nuclear plant I'll always remember as the STNP that finally fired up in the late 1980's after much acrimony, Brown & Root being fired as designer & architect but not as construction contractor, that subsequently Brown & Root quit as construction contractor, horrendous cost overruns (a case history in overpromise & underdeliver to get funding and other apptovals), a landmark whistleblower case, and so on that was widely praised for continuing to provide electric power during Hurricane Harvey in 2017 went offline last week. The reason given was reactor trips due to water level, the low water level was loss of water pumping capability, but I haven't seen further detail on exactly why water pumping capability was lost. Loss of instruments or instrument signal due to the weather (my #1 speculated culprit) not being adequately weatherized? Something specific to the mechanical design of the water pumps that the weather rendered unable to operate? Steam turbine drivers not hacking the weather (unlikely I think). Or did the pumps have electric motor drivers that failed?


The point I see most is this is the poster child for the vulnerability of the Texas grid to the weather last week. Shrugs off hurricanes but some mickey mouse insulation design or instrument specification was the stone that took this Goliath down last week. While I never worked in the electric power industry I spent a career in the petroleum industry and in my time caught instances where someone was minimizing costs by as little as a few hundred dollars on mickey mouse stuff that in the end was (or would have) literally "The Weakest Link".

The old poem about the horseshoe nail . . .


Pay me chump change now, or big bucks later. It always ends in a great wailing and gnashing of teeth, accomanied by the pointing of the fingers and the laying of blame, from the top down.

"It wasn't in the specs (or was cut from the project) because it wasn't necessary, defined as "gold plating the project" at the time" is a Groundhog Day refrain.

There's lots of talk about spreading these peak rate costs over a long period of time, which to me is deja vu on the STNP construction. Plus there's posturing about "if you didn't have power you shouldn't get billed" I'll believe that when I see it. The Hell freezing over analogy comes to my mind on that!
 
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Well this was on the local evening news - the exorbitant fuel charges have been set aside for now on customer bills for my area where the electric power provider is CPS - at leat while discussion & debate remains in progress on how to handle this.


I submitted a question asking why utilities are exempt from Texas Emergency Anti-Gouging Laws to a local news station's "Ask The Experts" feature, I'll update if I ever receive an answer.
 
BACK ON LINE.

The plumber just left, fixed the one bad pipe in the utility room. I guess turning the water off and draining everything I could paid off. On solid week of sponge baths and pouring water I had captured in the toilets to flush.

Water on. I just took a 30 minute shower. And took a leak inside.

life is good.
 
Well this was on the local evening news - the exorbitant fuel charges have been set aside for now on customer bills for my area where the electric power provider is CPS - at leat while discussion & debate remains in progress on how to handle this.


I submitted a question asking why utilities are exempt from Texas Emergency Anti-Gouging Laws to a local news station's "Ask The Experts" feature, I'll update if I ever receive an answer.
Fuel is the only direct pass thru to customer. Everything else like maintenance budgets, repairs, upgrades, etc has to be approved, but fuel goes directly thru with no markups/profits made. Usually its called something like a fuel surcharge or a fancy coverup of that effect
 
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