Can I use a 80% to build a AR pistol?

[mike213]

If i can, will i need those silly fin wraps and muzzle brakes like the rifle versions?

What gives?

 

[Ggmac]

If i can, will i need those silly fin wraps and muzzle brakes like the rifle versions?

What gives?

Im not sure what fin wraps are ?

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Im not sure what fin wraps are ?

Not sure what muzzle brakes are required on rifles either. As of now youre in the free republic of texas. That means you fall under the federal regulations on firearms, not the overreaching totalitarian governments of some localities. Follow the regular atf guidance on 80% lowers and mark yours as they advise for pistols.

 

[Nick Caprinolo]

Under Federal rules, you are allowed to build any type of firearm that is legal to own. Some states have other restrictions and have to be adhered to. Many states have lists of firearms that are banned and those you can't build if you live there. Probably against the law to take one there for target shooting also.

I live in Maryland and there are many such weapons banned here. The range I go to is near the Delaware/Maryland line and also close to Pa. Yu see these guys bringing all sorts of weapons to the range that are banned here. I am always afraid that one day they will get busted. I tried telling one guy about it and he as much as said mind your own business. Now I just tend to myself and a few like minded friends.

 

[Ranger188]

I know at least in ILL. and I thought threw out the country, that the lower
had to be sold with the "pistol" upper at that time to be considered a legal pistol.
If you have a lower and it was bought as a long rifle and then you bought the "pistol"
upper and put the two together, it would only be legal on your property.
The lower is the registered item and has to match the description.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I know at least in ILL. and I thought threw out the country, that the lower
had to be sold with the "pistol" upper at that time to be considered a legal pistol.
If you have a lower and it was bought as a long rifle and then you bought the "pistol"
upper and put the two together, it would only be legal on your property.
The lower is the registered item and has to match the description.

What do you mean only legal on your property? Theres no law that allows things on your property you cant do down the road. Ive heard this about machine guns, suppressors, making moonshine, killing endangered animals, night hunting, making pistols or short barreled firearms from rifles, etc.

 

[shortgrass]

I know at least in ILL. and I thought threw out the country, that the lower
had to be sold with the "pistol" upper at that time to be considered a legal pistol.
If you have a lower and it was bought as a long rifle and then you bought the "pistol"
upper and put the two together, it would only be legal on your property.
The lower is the registered item and has to match the description.

He has a 80% lower, that means it is not even a firearm, yet!

 

[Nick Caprinolo]

AS far as the Federal Government is concerned, an 80% lower is just a paperweight. The lower, after completion is then a firearm and is legal to build. It will work for rifle, pistol and any other configuration. The upper cares not one bit what lower it is put on. The only restriction is State Law. Some states may have regulations that disallow ownership of certain types of firearms. You are responsible to stay within the laws of your state.

 

[457ciSBC]

Not sure what muzzle brakes are required on rifles either. As of now youre in the free republic of texas. That means you fall under the federal regulations on firearms, not the overreaching totalitarian governments of some localities. Follow the regular atf guidance on 80% lowers and mark yours as they advise for pistols.

If you have a lower and it was bought as a long rifle and then you bought the "pistol"
upper and put the two together, it would only be legal on your property.
The lower is the registered item and has to match the description.

Are you referring “long rifle” as in an assembled long gun or the FFL marking the receiver as “long rifle” on form 4473? If you are referring to an assembled long gun receiver to a sub 16” barrel upper, without a Form 1 that can get you an invite to club Fed, in the lower 48+2. Like pistol grip shotguns, ”AR pistols” are technically firearms and the lowers do not have to be marked as pistols.
The FFL should be marking the stripped lower as “other” and not a long rifle.

 

[Nick Caprinolo]

Let's try to clarify this. If you purchase a lower that is complete then it must be registered and only under certain conditions can it be reclassified from rifle to pistol or vis versa.

An 80% receiver that you want to mill yourself does no have to be registered and therefor can be interchanged at will. You can use that receiver with all the uppers you have. There are no forms to fill out and no record of what it is. If a FFL should build one, then he must register it.

Any person legally able to own a firearm can build as many firearms as they want as long as they do not sell them

 

[KRP]

Let's try to clarify this. If you purchase a lower that is complete then it must be registered and only under certain conditions can it be reclassified from rifle to pistol or vis versa.

An 80% receiver that you want to mill yourself does no have to be registered and therefor can be interchanged at will. You can use that receiver with all the uppers you have. There are no forms to fill out and no record of what it is. If a FFL should build one, then he must register it.

Any person legally able to own a firearm can build as many firearms as they want as long as they do not sell them

Registration is a State Law issue also, many states have no registration requirements.

 

[mike213]

Let's try to clarify this. If you purchase a lower that is complete then it must be registered and only under certain conditions can it be reclassified from rifle to pistol or vis versa.

An 80% receiver that you want to mill yourself does no have to be registered and therefor can be interchanged at will. You can use that receiver with all the uppers you have. There are no forms to fill out and no record of what it is. If a FFL should build one, then he must register it.

Any person legally able to own a firearm can build as many firearms as they want as long as they do not sell them

Thanks for bthe info!

 

[GuitarmanNick]

Let's try to clarify this. If you purchase a lower that is complete then it must be registered and only under certain conditions can it be reclassified from rifle to pistol or vis versa.

An 80% receiver that you want to mill yourself does no have to be registered and therefor can be interchanged at will. You can use that receiver with all the uppers you have. There are no forms to fill out and no record of what it is. If a FFL should build one, then he must register it.

Any person legally able to own a firearm can build as many firearms as they want as long as they do not sell them

Mostly correct, dad.

Once an AR-15 lower receiver has been built as a rifle, it cannot be built into a pistol without registering it with the BATFE. This means if you bought a completed rifle from a gun shop or built it yourself, you can’t build that rifle into a pistol without a tax stamp.

My rule of thumb: Build it as a pistol first and take a picture as proof for the BATF. Then convert it to a rifle if that is what you wish to build.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

To me it seems the only reason a person would buy an 80% lower is because they cannot legally own a firearm.

A complete lower receiver is so cheap that it makes no sense to buy an 80%

 

[Nick Caprinolo]

To me it seems the only reason a person would buy an 80% lower is because they cannot legally own a firearm.

A complete lower receiver is so cheap that it makes no sense to buy an 80%

Some of us just like to have some things that no body knows about.

 

[Walt Krafft]

As a 07 licensee, when I buy a finished stripped lower, it is entered into my book as a "receiver". If I manufacture it into a finished product, it is re-entered in my book as a "rifle" or "pistol". If I finished an 80% and assembled it, it would be entered into my book as what I made it into. If a lower has ever been built into a rifle and entered into a ffl's bound book as such, it is illegal to then make it into a pistol.
A guy once told me he wanted one the government didn't know existed in case he needs to use it. I looked at him and said if you use it that will be the least of your worries.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Since theres no gun registration the government will find out about either one of them at the same time

 

[Nick Caprinolo]

This is not brain surgery!!!!!!

Try to wrap your head around the concept that if you mill an 80% lower, it is neither a rifle not a pistol. As such, it can be anything you want it to be. If you have half a dozen various uppers, they can be interchanged from day to day and used for a rifle or a pistol at your pleasure.

Now if you purchase a complete lower, it must be registered by a FFL. He must check to make sure you are qualified to own a firearm and must keep a record on file. It will be registered as a rifle or pistol.

 

[GuitarmanNick]

A little off topic, but relative:

Building an 80% receiver is preferred by many that reside in areas where gun confiscation is a favorite subject for the local politicians. They call it a registry and try to make it sound like simple record keeping. All of this is done to protect you and me from these evil, inanimate objects!

Anyone with a functioning brain should realize that the government almost always lies! Propaganda usually contains some elements of truth. With all of the recent accusations of corruption within our DOJ, FBI, CIA, etc., it may be best to assume everything is a lie. The media has been utilized to promote government agendas since WWI and is an extension of their propaganda network.

The BATF has ignored President Trump and a letter from 16 GOP Senators. There is talk that AR pistols may be reclassified as an AOW and require registration and a tax stamp. In other words, what has been legal for years could suddenly turn law abiding AR owners into felons, overnight.

If China Joe and Kamala Hairyass take office next month, AR style weapons may be outlawed, entirely. The only legal guns, will be smooth bore muskets. After all, they think that is what the founders had in mind when they wrote The Second Amendment.

 

[ballisticdaddy]

To me it seems the only reason a person would buy an 80% lower is because they cannot legally own a firearm.

A complete lower receiver is so cheap that it makes no sense to buy an 80%

So your ASSUMPTION is that all 80% lowers are owned by gang members and felons?
If a person is not able to own a firearm legally why would an 80% be any different?