Sad Day for 2A
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A 2-party system is the likeliest outcome of first-past-the-post plurality voting where there is a single position available (Duverger's Law). In the U.S., virtually every election of consequence only has only one position available (president, congressional district representative, senator, governor, state legislative district representative, ...). Small wonder that there are only 2 viable political parties (although there were 4 presidential candidates on this year's ballot in enough states to yield 270 electoral votes).
For all practical purposes, stable multi-party systems are only possible when there is proportional representation and multi-position election districts. Current U.S. law (but not the Constitution) mandates single-member congressional districts.
I keep reading about these so called magical votes appearing out
of thin air. Actually they appeared via the U.S Postal Service controlled
by an appointee of the president.......Suspicion can be a vicious circle.
Going to be some interesting theater the next few weeks, as with an
old TV burger commercial, "Where's the Meat" ??
of thin air. Actually they appeared via the U.S Postal Service controlled
by an appointee of the president.......Suspicion can be a vicious circle.
Going to be some interesting theater the next few weeks, as with an
old TV burger commercial, "Where's the Meat" ??
INShooter
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Agree!
Unless Trump is successful with his court challenges it looks as though we are stuck with a Biden Harris regime.
The thing that is critical now is the runoff Senate elections in Georgia. It could be our only hope in protecting the 2nd Amendment.
okie
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israel has multiple parties
Israel has a parliamentary government. All parliamentary governments have multiple parties. That's because voters vote for parties, not specific candidates, and the parties appoint the Knesset members from among their ranks proportionate to the votes received. The Knesset, in turn, elects the President and Prime Minister (the PM is nominated by the President).
okie
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thanks--seems like they can never pick a pres.---it is a mess it seems
Yes, one of the disadvantages of a multi-party system is that choosing a single individual (or policy) requires forming a coalition of parties that constitutes a majority of members. In a 2-party system there is always a winner, even if the margin of victory is narrow.
Please note he said conservatives, not republicans. I for years have had to vote republican, but describe myself as Constitutional Conservative. BIG DIFFERENCE.
Well for the most part, everyone is on the same side of the debate, this is pontification, no ?
jackson1
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In the past 6 months a number of threads have closed. Most are ones that I participated in. I believe in civil discourse. There are a small number that disagree with the majority view. While I strongly disagree with those few people, I support their right to be heard. Just believe in the free and open exchange of ideas.
And GHWB's son wouldn't have won in 2000 but for the Nader vote in Florida, so it cuts both ways.
I had forgotten about that one. . . . . it does cut both ways, doesn't it.
ronsatspokane
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Why is it that the left relies on children to direct their public policy?
ronsatspokane
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There is a reason people here are generally in agreement. Intelligent well informed individuals tend to be like minded and as a group we are a bunch of smart motherf^*kers.
Certainly, I just wanted to take the opportunity to remind folks that there are parties better aligned with their views, incase they've never considered it, although that inevitably brings about the "throwing away your vote" arguments, as though a vote for someone that won't win is a waste: a stance I disagree with in every way possible.
AckleymanII
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Long read, but worth it!
From:
Subject: Interesting From a Telegram room
Waren English, [09.11.20 13:46]
Trump supporters please read this its a bit long but I was totally put at ease also a good laugh too!! I guess people think Trump is stupid!!!
THE PLAN
Omg take the time to read this!
10 days of darkness. We've read about this on the Q boards for years (no Q is not a conspiracy theory). There have been many times where many, including myself, have thought we were in it.
But all of us were wrong. Trump won the election. And then overnight, he had it stolen from him. We've had to watch the trolls dance on Trump's metaphorical grave and celebrate the fall of America and the rise of socialism.
4 days later, plenty of proof of cheating, and they announce Joe Biden as the President Elect...projected, of course. I get messages every day from hurt Trump supporters who think what's the use? We can't win without cheating and we can't stop them. And in the end, we still lost.
And where again is Bill Barr? Why hasn't he gotten involved yet? Valid questions. What if I told you Trump wanted to lose? What if I told you that losing by way of cheating from the other side was the plan? It's about exposure and optics.
Trump HAD to win in a landslide, and he did. So that the amount of cheating required for the Dems to win was so vast that it was impossible to hide it. Had Trump overcame like he did in 2016, there would have been no legal battle over it.
The lower courts would have thrown them out, like they are right now (except for PA). The Supreme Court wouldn't have heard it since it was both left leaning and there wasn't an emergency situation that involved national security.
But losing with a conservative lean in the courts, with mounds of evidence, was the play. Evidence that is impossible to deny. Now by the constitution, if the race is close, then Congress can decide the winner. This is why they cheated just enough to edge out a win for Biden so that if Trump challenged and couldn't get a supreme court case, they could just decide in favor of Biden.
Stay with me...I know this is a long one. I'm going to clean it up for you in a bit. The Dems think they have the optics on this one by declaring Biden the winner. But here's the thing...this race isn't even over. Here's why...
Patriot Joe M had his tweeter account suspended over this comment:
"Patriots, be warned. President Trump has legally 'claimed' the states he knows he won fairly. The counting going on is now just a formality because the intent is to settle in court, not at the counting stations. If he loses this count, it means nothing, because this election will be Amy Coney Barrett's to decide. I promise ad guarantee you, Biden will never be sworn in as President."
Twitter took him down hours later. Not the post, the entire account. What is he talking about? He used the key words "legally claimed" when referring to Trumps victory. In other words Trump will lose the election optically, but the court will say he won.
I know that sounds crazy to you but let me tell you why this is true. Biden won the count. Cheating or not he won the count. That's a fact. But the states that kept accepting and counting ballots after the day of the election are in violation of their own state laws.
What? What am I talking about? PA...they have laws on the books that states that they cannot accept any new ballots that arrive AFTER the day of the election. Anything coming in afterward is invalid. Well, you're thinking, "well the supreme court of PA overrode that law in a court ruling and gave them 3 more days to collect."
And you would be right. But according to how the governmental system is set up, the courts can't create law, they can only ENFORCE the law that is already on the books. In order for the state to follow the direction of the Supreme court of their state, they need to actually go back and rewrite the laws to REFLECT the courts decision.
Waren English, [09.11.20 13:46]
People...every day is an IQ test because these bright souls didn't do that. They NEVER rewrote the laws to make the states supreme court ruling legally binding. Well, what OTHER states were this careless and lazy with the legal process?
30 states. Over 30 states did the same thing and are violating their own laws by counting new votes after the day of the election. In other words, all these trucks coming in at 2 and 3 in the morning on the morning of November 4th and beyond are invalid.
Biden WON the count, but only because they kept counting invalid votes for days after the election ended. The Surpreme Court of the United States will not count those votes. And since Trump was in the lead when the election ended, he is the legitimate legal president.
This is why I kept telling you all that ACB was the Trump card. The NUCLEAR card would be martial law and mass arrests...but that's a very dangerous call for the country. To win, legally in the court system, was the Trump card, people.
And while in the court they can unload all the evidence to show mass cheating. In Michigan. They discovered a glitch in the vote tally system. After votes were cast in one county, over 6000 votes for Trump "glitched" over into Biden votes. Glitched.
Well, this software was used in 47 other counties in Michigan...and used all over the COUNTRY. If they all averged the same number of vote glitches, that's well into the MILLIONS of votes that were altered after cast.
Here is the interesting part. The ballot machines...were ALL connected to the internet. Yes, they are supposed to be to linked to inTRAnet...meaning internal computer networks of that one facility But they're not supposed to be linked to the world wide web. Sydney Powell, General Flynn's attorney, said that they discovered an algorithm that calculated how many votes Biden needed to win.
She said they found out the machines were transferring just enough votes from Trump to Biden so that he could win. That's why they were doing "recounts" and we kept seeing Trumps numbers go down and Biden's go up in various states.
Now here is the "you can't make this stuff up" part. The software that the machines are using to tally up the votes is owned and controlled by Paul Pelosi. Yes...Nancy Pelosi's husband. He not only sits ON the board of the software company that tallies the votes, he majority OWNER of it.
So these "glitches" that only "glitch" in one direction isn't a glitch, it's a computer program designed to do all of this without any of us knowing it. It does it so fast that we can't even detect it during the actual counting.
This is how they were able to call states 10 minutes after the elections closed. The algorithm calculated a Biden win based on information they entered into the system. Patriots...if Sydney Powell has this information, you KNOW the DOJ does. And they probably have more that will come out in the Supreme Court hearings.
The DOJ. Where are they? They have the goods. They don't need the courts to tell them to arrest, just the command from POTUS. Why are they so quiet?
10 days of darkness.
It wasn't what we thought, people. It wasn't 10 days of media blackout, 10 days of social media blackout...10 days of darkness to a period of time where Q went dark, the President lost the election, and it looks like were headed to a socialist government.
The DOJ...by constitutional law they can't get involved with the election until.....10 days after election day. 10 days. The election was on November 3rd, by law they have to wait until the 14th to get involved.
It doesn't mean they can't make arrests. They can arrest some small time players that were involved with the plot. I'm told from a reliable source last night that a few of these arrests will happen next week sometime. But after 10 days, Barr can arrest anyone from the intern in the Biden break room to Biden himself.
Waren English, [09.11.20 13:46]
Q said the first big arrest will shock you. I can't see another shocking thing that the "President-Elect" of the United States getting arrested for treason, ballot fraud and crimes against humanity.
Dennis Bailey
Iam Mac, [09.11.20 14:17]
On Election night, Trump and his campaign team assembled in the Eisenhower Building just west of the White House to watch the results come in.
Know what is there?
A SCIF.
Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility. (SCIF)
The kind used by Army intelligence cyber security division.
They were monitoring the fraud in real time.
They knew which states were using the voting machines loaded with HAMMER & SCORECARD.
(Software developed for the CIA to manipulate voter tallies remotely in foreign elections.)
It was just deployed against the American people.
Tom Fitton & Sydney Powell put it right in your face
Dr Charlie Ward (Currency Broker & Hotel Contractor - Trump Insider) describes the deployment of this Sting Operation to trap those involved in election theft.
The Federalized National Guard were pulling around the clock duty in at least 16 states to trap these monsters.
All the swing states currently involved in the theft are on the list.
The SCOTUS ordered all ballots received after the deadline in PA be segregated from those received on time.
There will be a ballot audit.
Recounts are conducted by the same people/election boards as the first count.
Audits are conducted by armed fraud investigators.
State Legislators pick electors.
Republicans control both houses of the PA State Congress.
Guess who controls both Houses of State Legislatures in the other swing states?
You guessed it...
Republicans.
Check Mate.
If I were any of these Democrat officials involved in this colossal elecxtion fraud, I would be seeking asylum in a non-extradition country immediately.
Trust your President.
Trust God and Trust the Plan!
Tom Graham.
If you're wondering if what has been revealed above is true, I can tell you that the Twitter account for Tom Graham is followed by General Flynn,
Food for thought
“New intel from from a local friend always in the know:
Fwd:
Ok in a nutshell. This is going to the Supreme Court. Where they will rule that the election is invalid due to fraud or mistakes on a country wide scale. It will go one of two ways, either they will rule that all the unconstitutional
mail in ballots will be removed and the states ordered to recount without them or they will simply rule the election is invalid due to mass voter fraud and at that point it will be sent to the congress and senate for a vote. This is where it gets good. The house/congress votes on who the President will be. It has nothing to do with what party that has power. Every State gets one vote and 30 States are held by Republicans and 19 by Democrats. They have to vote down party lines, they have no choice due to the 12th Amendment of the Constitution and the Senate votes for the Vice President where a similar even will take place. This is The law. This is why the Democrats are so mad at Nancy Pelosi. This will all happen in January. The only way President Trump won’t be President is if he concedes the election and that will never happen. So stop watching the fake news and don’t let your heart be troubled and live your life knowing this will all work out. President Trump will remain President. I have researched all of this and it is Fact!
Another fun fact, they called Gore the President Elect for 30 days in 2000 until the courts ruled against him and declared Bush the winner. And two people that were part of Bush’s legal team were none other that new Supreme Court Justices, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett. Why do you think the Democrats tried so hard to keep them from being confirmed?”
Now you understand why he was playing golf today
From:
Subject: Interesting From a Telegram room
Waren English, [09.11.20 13:46]
Trump supporters please read this its a bit long but I was totally put at ease also a good laugh too!! I guess people think Trump is stupid!!!
THE PLAN
Omg take the time to read this!
10 days of darkness. We've read about this on the Q boards for years (no Q is not a conspiracy theory). There have been many times where many, including myself, have thought we were in it.
But all of us were wrong. Trump won the election. And then overnight, he had it stolen from him. We've had to watch the trolls dance on Trump's metaphorical grave and celebrate the fall of America and the rise of socialism.
4 days later, plenty of proof of cheating, and they announce Joe Biden as the President Elect...projected, of course. I get messages every day from hurt Trump supporters who think what's the use? We can't win without cheating and we can't stop them. And in the end, we still lost.
And where again is Bill Barr? Why hasn't he gotten involved yet? Valid questions. What if I told you Trump wanted to lose? What if I told you that losing by way of cheating from the other side was the plan? It's about exposure and optics.
Trump HAD to win in a landslide, and he did. So that the amount of cheating required for the Dems to win was so vast that it was impossible to hide it. Had Trump overcame like he did in 2016, there would have been no legal battle over it.
The lower courts would have thrown them out, like they are right now (except for PA). The Supreme Court wouldn't have heard it since it was both left leaning and there wasn't an emergency situation that involved national security.
But losing with a conservative lean in the courts, with mounds of evidence, was the play. Evidence that is impossible to deny. Now by the constitution, if the race is close, then Congress can decide the winner. This is why they cheated just enough to edge out a win for Biden so that if Trump challenged and couldn't get a supreme court case, they could just decide in favor of Biden.
Stay with me...I know this is a long one. I'm going to clean it up for you in a bit. The Dems think they have the optics on this one by declaring Biden the winner. But here's the thing...this race isn't even over. Here's why...
Patriot Joe M had his tweeter account suspended over this comment:
"Patriots, be warned. President Trump has legally 'claimed' the states he knows he won fairly. The counting going on is now just a formality because the intent is to settle in court, not at the counting stations. If he loses this count, it means nothing, because this election will be Amy Coney Barrett's to decide. I promise ad guarantee you, Biden will never be sworn in as President."
Twitter took him down hours later. Not the post, the entire account. What is he talking about? He used the key words "legally claimed" when referring to Trumps victory. In other words Trump will lose the election optically, but the court will say he won.
I know that sounds crazy to you but let me tell you why this is true. Biden won the count. Cheating or not he won the count. That's a fact. But the states that kept accepting and counting ballots after the day of the election are in violation of their own state laws.
What? What am I talking about? PA...they have laws on the books that states that they cannot accept any new ballots that arrive AFTER the day of the election. Anything coming in afterward is invalid. Well, you're thinking, "well the supreme court of PA overrode that law in a court ruling and gave them 3 more days to collect."
And you would be right. But according to how the governmental system is set up, the courts can't create law, they can only ENFORCE the law that is already on the books. In order for the state to follow the direction of the Supreme court of their state, they need to actually go back and rewrite the laws to REFLECT the courts decision.
Waren English, [09.11.20 13:46]
People...every day is an IQ test because these bright souls didn't do that. They NEVER rewrote the laws to make the states supreme court ruling legally binding. Well, what OTHER states were this careless and lazy with the legal process?
30 states. Over 30 states did the same thing and are violating their own laws by counting new votes after the day of the election. In other words, all these trucks coming in at 2 and 3 in the morning on the morning of November 4th and beyond are invalid.
Biden WON the count, but only because they kept counting invalid votes for days after the election ended. The Surpreme Court of the United States will not count those votes. And since Trump was in the lead when the election ended, he is the legitimate legal president.
This is why I kept telling you all that ACB was the Trump card. The NUCLEAR card would be martial law and mass arrests...but that's a very dangerous call for the country. To win, legally in the court system, was the Trump card, people.
And while in the court they can unload all the evidence to show mass cheating. In Michigan. They discovered a glitch in the vote tally system. After votes were cast in one county, over 6000 votes for Trump "glitched" over into Biden votes. Glitched.
Well, this software was used in 47 other counties in Michigan...and used all over the COUNTRY. If they all averged the same number of vote glitches, that's well into the MILLIONS of votes that were altered after cast.
Here is the interesting part. The ballot machines...were ALL connected to the internet. Yes, they are supposed to be to linked to inTRAnet...meaning internal computer networks of that one facility But they're not supposed to be linked to the world wide web. Sydney Powell, General Flynn's attorney, said that they discovered an algorithm that calculated how many votes Biden needed to win.
She said they found out the machines were transferring just enough votes from Trump to Biden so that he could win. That's why they were doing "recounts" and we kept seeing Trumps numbers go down and Biden's go up in various states.
Now here is the "you can't make this stuff up" part. The software that the machines are using to tally up the votes is owned and controlled by Paul Pelosi. Yes...Nancy Pelosi's husband. He not only sits ON the board of the software company that tallies the votes, he majority OWNER of it.
So these "glitches" that only "glitch" in one direction isn't a glitch, it's a computer program designed to do all of this without any of us knowing it. It does it so fast that we can't even detect it during the actual counting.
This is how they were able to call states 10 minutes after the elections closed. The algorithm calculated a Biden win based on information they entered into the system. Patriots...if Sydney Powell has this information, you KNOW the DOJ does. And they probably have more that will come out in the Supreme Court hearings.
The DOJ. Where are they? They have the goods. They don't need the courts to tell them to arrest, just the command from POTUS. Why are they so quiet?
10 days of darkness.
It wasn't what we thought, people. It wasn't 10 days of media blackout, 10 days of social media blackout...10 days of darkness to a period of time where Q went dark, the President lost the election, and it looks like were headed to a socialist government.
The DOJ...by constitutional law they can't get involved with the election until.....10 days after election day. 10 days. The election was on November 3rd, by law they have to wait until the 14th to get involved.
It doesn't mean they can't make arrests. They can arrest some small time players that were involved with the plot. I'm told from a reliable source last night that a few of these arrests will happen next week sometime. But after 10 days, Barr can arrest anyone from the intern in the Biden break room to Biden himself.
Waren English, [09.11.20 13:46]
Q said the first big arrest will shock you. I can't see another shocking thing that the "President-Elect" of the United States getting arrested for treason, ballot fraud and crimes against humanity.
Dennis Bailey
Iam Mac, [09.11.20 14:17]
On Election night, Trump and his campaign team assembled in the Eisenhower Building just west of the White House to watch the results come in.
Know what is there?
A SCIF.
Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility. (SCIF)
The kind used by Army intelligence cyber security division.
They were monitoring the fraud in real time.
They knew which states were using the voting machines loaded with HAMMER & SCORECARD.
(Software developed for the CIA to manipulate voter tallies remotely in foreign elections.)
It was just deployed against the American people.
Tom Fitton & Sydney Powell put it right in your face
Dr Charlie Ward (Currency Broker & Hotel Contractor - Trump Insider) describes the deployment of this Sting Operation to trap those involved in election theft.
The Federalized National Guard were pulling around the clock duty in at least 16 states to trap these monsters.
All the swing states currently involved in the theft are on the list.
The SCOTUS ordered all ballots received after the deadline in PA be segregated from those received on time.
There will be a ballot audit.
Recounts are conducted by the same people/election boards as the first count.
Audits are conducted by armed fraud investigators.
State Legislators pick electors.
Republicans control both houses of the PA State Congress.
Guess who controls both Houses of State Legislatures in the other swing states?
You guessed it...
Republicans.
Check Mate.
If I were any of these Democrat officials involved in this colossal elecxtion fraud, I would be seeking asylum in a non-extradition country immediately.
Trust your President.
Trust God and Trust the Plan!
Tom Graham.
If you're wondering if what has been revealed above is true, I can tell you that the Twitter account for Tom Graham is followed by General Flynn,
Food for thought
“New intel from from a local friend always in the know:
Fwd:
Ok in a nutshell. This is going to the Supreme Court. Where they will rule that the election is invalid due to fraud or mistakes on a country wide scale. It will go one of two ways, either they will rule that all the unconstitutional
mail in ballots will be removed and the states ordered to recount without them or they will simply rule the election is invalid due to mass voter fraud and at that point it will be sent to the congress and senate for a vote. This is where it gets good. The house/congress votes on who the President will be. It has nothing to do with what party that has power. Every State gets one vote and 30 States are held by Republicans and 19 by Democrats. They have to vote down party lines, they have no choice due to the 12th Amendment of the Constitution and the Senate votes for the Vice President where a similar even will take place. This is The law. This is why the Democrats are so mad at Nancy Pelosi. This will all happen in January. The only way President Trump won’t be President is if he concedes the election and that will never happen. So stop watching the fake news and don’t let your heart be troubled and live your life knowing this will all work out. President Trump will remain President. I have researched all of this and it is Fact!
Another fun fact, they called Gore the President Elect for 30 days in 2000 until the courts ruled against him and declared Bush the winner. And two people that were part of Bush’s legal team were none other that new Supreme Court Justices, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett. Why do you think the Democrats tried so hard to keep them from being confirmed?”
Now you understand why he was playing golf today
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