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Load testing, what's your method ?

I don't think there's just one way to develop a load any more than there is just one style of shooting. So I am curious to see how various people here do their load testing, how they plan on shooting the final loads, how many rounds they shoot when testing etc. My methods have changed a lot over the years and will continue to evolve. For example now the chrono only get used during the first step, after that I rely strictly on what the target tells me. Five years ago I chronoed every single test shot

here is my current method, like I said it is fluid and I like to experiment and change things on occasion. On the load I am working on at the moment I will trying Erik Cortina's seating depth method that was posted in this thread


Since my shooting is done at paper targets currently mostly just F class at 300 to 800 yards and my goal is 1 MOA accuracy of 20 round groups at 800 to be sufficient. I may shoot out to 1000 on occasion so I do like the round to stay supersonic to 1000 if practical. I have to drive 4 hours each way to test at 1000 so that will not be happening. I prefer to do my testing in as low as possible wind conditions and on cloudy days as to minimize the wind and mirage effects. Practice in the worst conditions and test in best conditions is my goal. Over time my testing has changed and evolved and may change in the future again.

With a hypothetical charge range of 42.0 to 44.0 grains I first do a pressure check across the entire range doing jumps of .05 at the low end and .02 at the high shooting one or two rounds at each step. In this hypothetical test that would be something like 42.0, 42.5, 43.0, 43.5, 43.7, 43.9 44.0 for a total of 7 - 10 rounds checking for pressure signs with the primer and for hard bolt lift. These would be shot across a chrono to get a rough indication of speed at 100 yards. I use a seating depth of .025.

After looking at those chrono numbers I know what my minimum charge needs to be so I then load up three or five rounds each from minimum to maximum charge and shot at 100 yards again. For these I am looking at grouping and shot patterns. I figure if three to five rounds do not shoot well, twenty five would shoot bad also.

After that I move out to 300 for further testing of the most promising loads shooting 15 rounds each and looking for a .3 to .5 grain range where the points of impact range overlap.I prefer a load that gives me a minimum of .1 spread on either side that has a similar POI to allow for temp and loading variations.

Finally I do a 20 round test at 600 to check grouping patterns and vertical spread. If the load is borderline on my expectations I may tweak seating depth to see if I can tune the shot pattern
 
Based on recent experiences, going forward I will initially conduct the Berger seating depth test recommendation which goes up to something like 0.120 jump to find the best starting point. It utilizes group size based on two 3-shot groups, but usually one of the widely different jumps is clearly better. And surprisingly a much longer jump than typically considered may be best.

In terms of starting charge weight this is either known based on previous experiences from myself, others, or Quick Load plus optimal barrel time. Or if this info is insufficient, a wide single shot ladder always provides a node based on stable poi (this using the Berger method jump to assure the group size is minimal).

Now given good starting points for jump and charge, I use a statistical based design to evaluate 9 combinations of 5 levels of jump and charge with three shots each 9 = 27 total shots. Not only does this clarify optimum jump and charge, but it may suggest a different combination of the two might be better. While the 3 shots provide clear decisions based on stable poi (node), the group size could suggest something additional of interest but requiring additional shots for confirmation.

I like to do all of this at 200yd because the poi results are much more differentiated than at 100yd, plus environmental factors such as wind and mirage have insignificant effect when judging based on poi. In addition my other work suggests node identification based on poi as achieved by positive compensation harmonics is comparable at 200yd vs longer distances; although, I would not claim this as an absolute.
 
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I do an OCW test with 5 shot groups. From minimum charge to maximum charge in .3 grain increments. I seat the bullets at jamb - .020. I look for the lowest ES. I usually see 2 powder charges with an ES of low teens or single digit. If I'm not happy with any of the results, I will pick the best and switch to a different primer. This usually takes 50 rounds or so.

Once I find the OCW , I do seating depth. Starting at jamb - .023, in .003 increments. I shoot 5 shot groups here too. Here I look for smallest group across 2 seating depths. I may do a little tuning of seating depth. This usually takes about 25 rounds.
Once I have the load, I shoot 3, 5 shot groups to verify. I shoot at 100 yards, which is all I have regular access to.

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You really meant to say .2 of a grain. I agree with that. Often go up until I see some sign or make a measurement that things are getting "hot" and stop. Chronographing all the way I make a decision on best group and start there.

After doing it that way I make more of that load and start a seating depth test, altering it and observing changes in grouping. Picking the best seating depth I then work on my tuner, If I have one, seeing if I can get it to even shoot better.

Now that is for shorter range. If longer range I stop after the velocity test, pick a range that looks good and got to the exact distance I figure on using that load. Then I repeat the same load testing in a smaller range looking for a velocity that shows the smallest vertical impact. That's what I then use before seating depth and tuner testing.

Different distances sure can be different in barrel timing and impact patterns. Shorter ranges may not have much of an issue but at longer ranges that is near the most important thing to discover before continuing your search for the best load.
 
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Agree with CaptM. I've had many rounds that were so so at 100 yards turn out 1/4 to 1/2 moa at 600, 800 and 1000. IDK the reason but I've seen it enough times that I always test any promising rounds at longer ranges. I have though, found that in general, if it is good at 100 yards it will most likely hold up at longer ranges. A lot of experts say it's not possible for an moa group at 100 to shoot smaller further out unless it's shooter error, parallax etc. But, many of my shooting friends and posters here have experienced the same.
 
I think JMayo should read his post and edit that. He starts at a given load and goes up 2 grains for ten groups? That’s going up 20 grains from his starting point.
Yeah that little "." Means allot !
TY, I'll fix it.
Well, it got deleted.
.2 grains up.
30.6
30.8
31.0
And so on till I have 100/120. That'll take most the day to shoot.
Target is White with orange lines.
Keep a scrap paper to write load spot.
Come home, correlate shots and loads, pick the good ones. Refine loads, go do it again.1604199593243-881327940.jpg
 
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I have recently changed my method to seating depth accuracy node ID first. This is done at mid-range published powder charges.

I have found sub-half-moa groups at .070” to .075” jump in 30-06 x 150 gr Accubond and sub-half-moa groups at 0.060” jump in 300 WSM x 180 gr Scirocco II. MV in both cases is in the 3000 fps range. I still have work to do on both.

I’m looking for seating depth accuracy nodes that are 0.003”+ wide. This provides forgiveness applicable to variable base to ogive dimensions commonly encountered with cup and core bullets.

300 WSM example:

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My next load testing will be completely done by using the Erik Cortina method.
Well...i kinda did......or tried to
Found a Barrell Time Load for SW Match Powder 80gr EDLMs and my LC11 brass on QuickLoad...
Shot over my Chrono to find the lowest ES of which i found single digit ES load
Then i took my original seating depth and reduced by .003 and .006 and elongated by the same and got a one hole 3 shoot group at 100 yards. now to test at 600..
combustion/ES harmonics/seating depth external ballistics/Berger Bullets sorry i have Hornady ELDMs
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Well...i kinda did......or tried to
Found a Barrell Time Load for SW Match Powder 80gr EDLMs and my LC11 brass on QuickLoad...
Shot over my Chrono to find the lowest ES of which i found single digit ES load
Then i took my original seating depth and reduced by .003 and .006 and elongated by the same and got a one hole 3 shoot group at 100 yards. now to test at 600..
combustion/ES harmonics/seating depth external ballistics/Berger Bullets sorry i have Hornady ELDMs
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I like your load development chart.
Would you mind sharing it?
Thanks, Mike
 
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I will be starting brass prep and getting into load development today. First things first, also life gets in the way daily. It will be a little on the slow side, but I'll get there.
 

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