question with muzzle breaks

[Savageseven]

when running 6mm and below if you run a 6.5 muzzle break is it as affective as a 6mm muzzlebreak

 

[Bc'z]

Yes

 

[Savageseven]

what about using a 30 cal break on a 6mm..
does it work as well as using a 6mm break on a 6mm

 

[JEFFPPC]

I can't answer that but they are all disruptive to the shooters on either side of you at most ranges because the benches are not far enough apart. Although no one wants to talk about it there are safety issues also related to them so that means possible liability also to the ranges that allow them. Again not a popular discussion.

 

[coldboreshot]

what about using a 30 cal break on a 6mm..
does it work as well as using a 6mm break on a 6mm

There should be no issue. Some brake mfg's suggest can be used with calibers equal OR LESS than value. Dont try a 6mm brake with a .30 cal. That's self explanatory. As for the previous contribution, not everyone who used a muzzle brake attends a range or club. If it is someone who hunts with a large or magnum caliber, a muzzle brake is certainly beneficial. As for me, I have numerous brakes on different platforms nd attend the range or in the field. If you are at the range, you should probably have all safety worn implements in place so there should no concern. If a brake bothers you, relocate to another bench.

 

[Rob01]

what about using a 30 cal break on a 6mm..
does it work as well as using a 6mm break on a 6mm

Yup that's fine and you won't even be able to feel any small difference. I run a .338 suppressor adapter brake on one of my 6.5 Creedmoors and it works great.

 

[Savageseven]

OK

 

[wbm]

brake

 

[Willie]

brake

Just one of my peeves, that people don't know the difference.

 

[JEFFPPC]

There should be no issue. Some brake mfg's suggest can be used with calibers equal OR LESS than value. Dont try a 6mm brake with a .30 cal. That's self explanatory. As for the previous contribution, not everyone who used a muzzle brake attends a range or club. If it is someone who hunts with a large or magnum caliber, a muzzle brake is certainly beneficial. As for me, I have numerous brakes on different platforms nd attend the range or in the field. If you are at the range, you should probably have all safety worn implements in place so there should no concern. If a brake bothers you, relocate to another bench.

Your evidently strictly a hunter, not a competitive shooter so I was not addressing you and your use. There is no safety equipment worn that would offer protection from an exploding brake, yes it has happened and shrapnel from a peeled bullet jacket can be devastating. At very few matches do you have a choice of benches, often they are assigned or drawn. I would think if you take a brake to public range or even a private club YOU should have the courtesy to not sit right beside another shooter who is already there. I often hear at matches shooters saying my brake was not tight. Scary, not far from throwing shrapnel towards those on either side of him. If you are shooting in such a manner that your muzzle does not extend over the end of the bench it is even more dangerous. I suggest, if you don't like the recoil, get a caliber your more comfortable with. Some matches have relays for brakes, some are now putting up blast shields, and a very few like the Willamsport and Reade 1000 yd ranges in Pa have there benches far enough apart they have minimal effect on the shooters on either side. I see their place in the field, not in the competitive arena. Brakes are my peeve......learn to read the wind.

 

[Rob01]

LOL

 

[coldboreshot]

Your evidently strictly a hunter, not a competitive shooter so I was not addressing you and your use. There is no safety equipment worn that would offer protection from an exploding brake, yes it has happened and shrapnel from a peeled bullet jacket can be devastating. At very few matches do you have a choice of benches, often they are assigned or drawn. I would think if you take a brake to public range or even a private club YOU should have the courtesy to not sit right beside another shooter who is already there. I often hear at matches shooters saying my brake was not tight. Scary, not far from throwing shrapnel towards those on either side of him. If you are shooting in such a manner that your muzzle does not extend over the end of the bench it is even more dangerous. I suggest, if you don't like the recoil, get a caliber your more comfortable with. Some matches have relays for brakes, some are now putting up blast shields, and a very few like the Willamsport and Reade 1000 yd ranges in Pa have there benches far enough apart they have minimal effect on the shooters on either side. I see their place in the field, not in the competitive arena. Brakes are my peeve......learn to read the wind.

I actually am a competitor in fclass and some benchrest. The field work I was speaking of was not necessarily pertaining to hunting, so yes, you were adressing my application. I do use a brake on my bench gun and my other rifles but of course not fclass. Rarely if never have I encountered someone at a range who's muzzle brake blew up because of user irresponsibility but I've seen more than enough barrel obstructions that caused concerns. I don't believe a muzzle brake itself is the criminal.

 

[coldboreshot]

Your evidently strictly a hunter, not a competitive shooter so I was not addressing you and your use. There is no safety equipment worn that would offer protection from an exploding brake, yes it has happened and shrapnel from a peeled bullet jacket can be devastating. At very few matches do you have a choice of benches, often they are assigned or drawn. I would think if you take a brake to public range or even a private club YOU should have the courtesy to not sit right beside another shooter who is already there. I often hear at matches shooters saying my brake was not tight. Scary, not far from throwing shrapnel towards those on either side of him. If you are shooting in such a manner that your muzzle does not extend over the end of the bench it is even more dangerous. I suggest, if you don't like the recoil, get a caliber your more comfortable with. Some matches have relays for brakes, some are now putting up blast shields, and a very few like the Willamsport and Reade 1000 yd ranges in Pa have there benches far enough apart they have minimal effect on the shooters on either side. I see their place in the field, not in the competitive arena. Brakes are my peeve......learn to read the wind.

BTW, muzzle brakes have nothing to do with gaining advantage in wind. It controls the recoil of the rifle and assist in maintaining control of the rifle. You still need wind reading skills. Apologies to @Savageseven, I hope my answer to you was of help.

 

[JEFFPPC]

Is there really such a thing as a cold bore shot in Fla.? I did not say or imply criminal.I did address possible liability. No, I have never seen a brake blow up either but I have spoken to several people who have seen it happen at sanctioned matches. I do think when you are sandwiched between muzzle brake you are at a competitive disadvantage. It not only rocks your gun but if you shoot at the same time or a millisecond later your bullet is going thru a lot of blast. I will say most but not all competitors where benches are close will offer to let you shoot first. I usually defer and tell them to go ahead as lots of them shoot quickly at fire and run them. But, that is still intruding on the time you should have had. The part that gets me, when you suggest they shoot on brake only relays they squeal, yup like you know what. Like stated before, it is MY peeve. You are correct that a muzzle beake does not help in the wind, but the larger caetridge it allows you to shoot most certianly does. Not only less recoil but less movement in the bag. It definitly brings advantages that is why many are adament about using them. I think an implied rule at matches is do not do anything that intereferes with another competitor.

 

[Dgd6mm]

If the rules say that you are allowed to use a muzzle brake feel free to do so.

 

[JEFFPPC]

I suppose we will have to agree to disagree on this issue.

 

[Ranger007]

I suppose we will have to agree to disagree on this issue.

or squeal

 

[Rob01]

If the rules say that you are allowed to use a muzzle brake feel free to do so.

Exactly. Don’t like brakes then find a sport they aren’t allowed. In PRS everyone has a brake. It’s used to be able to manage recoil better when on props and spot shots and fast follow up shots. Light recoiling 6mm and .223s have brakes on them. You learn to shoot next to them and not be blast sensitive.

Rifles can blow up. Better not shoot one. LOL

 

[ormandj]

Your evidently strictly a hunter, not a competitive shooter so I was not addressing you and your use. There is no safety equipment worn that would offer protection from an exploding brake, yes it has happened and shrapnel from a peeled bullet jacket can be devastating. At very few matches do you have a choice of benches, often they are assigned or drawn. I would think if you take a brake to public range or even a private club YOU should have the courtesy to not sit right beside another shooter who is already there. I often hear at matches shooters saying my brake was not tight. Scary, not far from throwing shrapnel towards those on either side of him. If you are shooting in such a manner that your muzzle does not extend over the end of the bench it is even more dangerous. I suggest, if you don't like the recoil, get a caliber your more comfortable with. Some matches have relays for brakes, some are now putting up blast shields, and a very few like the Willamsport and Reade 1000 yd ranges in Pa have there benches far enough apart they have minimal effect on the shooters on either side. I see their place in the field, not in the competitive arena. Brakes are my peeve......learn to read the wind.

I'm sorry, but this is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. Why are brakes exploding? Why are brakes loose? I wouldn't want to be anywhere near wherever you are shooting because it sounds like an insanely dangerous place full of people who have no idea what they are doing. Are you dodging bolts and chamber pieces too? How hot are people loading their rounds to cause jackets to just 'peel' off upon firing? Are the brakes misaligned due to poorly cut muzzle threads and doing the peeling themselves? Did someone figure out how to thread a barrel at a 45 degree angle? The misalignment required to do that with such a short muzzle device, especially as most are sized larger than bore is unfathomable.

I shoot 100% suppressed now, but have shot and taught shooting for decades now around countless people with various muzzle devices from brakes to suppressors at all skill levels, and I've only seen _one_ failure attributed to a muzzle device - it was a suppressor misalignment due to poorly cut muzzle threads which ended with a suppressor being launched downrange. I have never experienced or even heard of incidents like those you are describing, and I don't shoot benchrest nor am I around people shooting benchrest - we're moving around, banging rifles around, shooting from tons of different positions (mostly improvised), and basically doing everything in our power to cause a muzzle device to fail. Find a new club if yours allows people who are constantly talking about their "brakes being loose". That sounds like a sore loser's excuse for shooting a bad group, to me. "I woulda shot a perfect score but my brake was loose!"

I can completely understand not liking the concussion from brakes, especially in enclosed areas (I refuse to shoot at indoor ranges regardless of people using brakes, but also hate shooting in ranges where there are concrete overhangs that redirect blast back at the shooter) - there's definitely an argument to be made about noise/concussion to shooters near you, but talking about exploding and loose brakes is wild. That sounds like a poorly run and scary range full of dangerously ignorant people who have no business being in shooting sports that you would want to be nowhere near, not even in the same zip code.

Brakes have their place, and I completely understand those wanting to use them. I don't personally like being around them (and completely understand not liking the blast), and tend to move if someone parks next to me with a side-ported brake on a 300WM or 338 Lapua Mag. Most people are polite enough to find an open area, and if none are available give a head's up or ask first at my ranges. I also don't expect them to avoid shooting with them or change calibers from those more optimal for the 1760 yard range I shoot at. I'm not that old and my shoulder is already beat up, I don't fault people for trying to save theirs. They also make a HUGE difference vs. un-braked when trying to self-spot or have rapid follow-up shots. Reading the wind has nothing to do with it.

 

[coldboreshot]

Is there really such a thing as a cold bore shot in Fla.? I did not say or imply criminal.I did address possible liability. No, I have never seen a brake blow up either but I have spoken to several people who have seen it happen at sanctioned matches. I do think when you are sandwiched between muzzle brake you are at a competitive disadvantage. It not only rocks your gun but if you shoot at the same time or a millisecond later your bullet is going thru a lot of blast. I will say most but not all competitors where benches are close will offer to let you shoot first. I usually defer and tell them to go ahead as lots of them shoot quickly at fire and run them. But, that is still intruding on the time you should have had. The part that gets me, when you suggest they shoot on brake only relays they squeal, yup like you know what. Like stated before, it is MY peeve. You are correct that a muzzle beake does not help in the wind, but the larger caetridge it allows you to shoot most certianly does. Not only less recoil but less movement in the bag. It definitly brings advantages that is why many are adament about using them. I think an implied rule at matches is do not do anything that intereferes with another competitor.

Perhaps if I feel the need, I will send you a picture of ALL the cold bore X coins have won at matches and yes, even in Florida. If muzzle brakes are your "peeve", I understand rimfire is all the rage these days. Perhaps you should look into it.