COVID-19 Map worldwide, with statistics

[Brians356]

Really? It's because the various COVID-19 mitigation strategies that national, regional, and local governments have implemented (or tried to implement) explicitly or implicitly trade off between limiting infection rate and growing the economy.

Fair enough, but my post was not about economics, it was purely about Covid-19 mitigation strategies. (Recall Sweden was destined for a holocaust if they didn't kowtow to prevailing doctrine.) Your data then, especially with no such explanation as you've now provided, were inapposite.
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[Toby Bradshaw]

Let’s put it into words:

Pre-pandemic Norway’s unemployment rate was less than half of Sweden’s. After shutting down their economy to deal with the pandemic Norway’s unemployment rate is almost equal to Sweden’s.

And Sweden's pre- and post-pandemic unemployment rate increased twice as much as Denmark's, even though Denmark was one of the first EU countries to lock down, on 11 March. Denmark was also the first EU country to emerge from lockdown, opening elementary schools in April. The Danes got on top and have stayed on top of the pandemic even with a surge in cases this summer, and reaped both public health and economic benefits, while Sweden and the U.S. (among others) conspicuously have not.

It is possible to protect people's lives and livelihoods at the same time, but we in the U.S. didn't do either. There is plenty of blame to go around, from governments down to individuals.

Of course, more than half of Republicans think that the current U.S. COVID-19 death toll is acceptable. If you're in that camp there isn't a COVID-19 problem that needs solving in the first place, so this kind of discussion is moot.




U.S. population ca. 330M, Sweden ca. 10M, Denmark ca. 6M

 

[ronsatspokane]

Population density (per km^2):
Sweden: 22.5
Norway: 17.0
Denmark: 134.0

COVID-19 deaths per million:
Sweden: 576
Norway: 49
Denmark: 108

per capita GDP:
Sweden: $54,600
Norway: $81,700
Denmark: $61,350

Hmm. Population density doesn't seem to be the difference.

Perhaps if we had a red light district and drug consumption like Denmark, we would be a healthy happy population as well. Better living through chemistry or so they say.

 

[Brians356]

Here's a curious Covid-19 "microclimate" tidbit about Whitman County, WA, an agricultural county wherein exists Washington State University. (From the Lewiston Morning Tribune, 1 September 2020. Emphasis added.)

The spread of the coronavirus in Whitman County continues to outpace everywhere else in the region and most places in the United States.

The jurisdiction had 24 new confirmed cases Monday, bringing its total to 509. The majority of cases have been reported in the past two weeks. On Aug. 20, Whitman County had just 138 cases, before the spike attributed to the return of Washington State University students.

The recent rate of the transmission of COVID-19 in Whitman Count has put Pullman seventh in the nation on a list of cities with the greatest number of new cases in the past two weeks relative to their population, which is compiled by the New York Times.

All of the new Whitman County cases Monday involve people who are 39 years old or younger who are recovering from the illness outside of the hospital. Whitman County has had no deaths and just two hospitalizations — both of which have been resolved — throughout the pandemic.

Also, in adjacent Nez Perce County, ID, which has had total of 313 confirmed cases, there have been 19 coronavirus deaths, but not a single death since 7 May. All 19 decedents were in a single long-term care facility.
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[Dgd6mm]

Over 51,000 members to this forum. How many have either had the virus or have it?

 

[Brians356]

Here's mud in your eye! (To the numerically-challenged: Do some homework before demonstrating the condition here. A trap has been set - fair warning.)



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[Brians356]

From Townhall, 29 August:

According to The New York Times, potentially 90 percent of those who have tested positive for COVID-19 have such insignificant amounts of the virus present in their bodies that such individuals do not need to isolate nor are they candidates for contact tracing. Leading public health experts are now concerned that overtesting is responsible for misdiagnosing a huge number of people with harmless amounts of the virus in their systems.

"Most of these people are not likely to be contagious, and identifying them may contribute to bottlenecks that prevent those who are contagious from being found in time," warns The Times.

So, if overtesting is causing "bottlenecks" that keep us from identifying contagious people in time, what does The New York Times believe the solution should be? More testing!

 

[D Coots]

Incompetent government agencies give unbelievable numbers. How many have Really died from Covid?

So far in the county I live in we are up to ONE. An 83 year old early on. Did they really die from it? My
Aunt died a couple months ago, cause of death... Covid.....bullcrap, she was 93, quit eating a couple weeks before, and died. Tested positive, but no symptoms...wtf?

 

[jds holler]

Over 51,000 members to this forum. How many have either had the virus or have it?

I also find this very interesting. Member SGK who has been a huge contributor to this thread seems to know many; everyone else, not so much.

You would think that we would be a pretty fair sampling since our community is spread far and wide, even world wide.

My own county which is huge in size but populated with about 70,000, has seen about 235 cases, (Covid and PRESUMED Covid), and two deaths.

Since we are in Oregon, we're under Kate Brown's restrictive BS. The same as some of the worst Covid hot-spots in the country. jd

 

[JimT]

And Sweden's pre- and post-pandemic unemployment rate increased twice as much as Denmark's, even though Denmark was one of the first EU countries to lock down, on 11 March. Denmark was also the first EU country to emerge from lockdown, opening elementary schools in April. The Danes got on top and have stayed on top of the pandemic even with a surge in cases this summer, and reaped both public health and economic benefits, while Sweden and the U.S. (among others) conspicuously have not.

It is possible to protect people's lives and livelihoods at the same time, but we in the U.S. didn't do either. There is plenty of blame to go around, from governments down to individuals.

Of course, more than half of Republicans think that the current U.S. COVID-19 death toll is acceptable. If you're in that camp there isn't a COVID-19 problem that needs solving in the first place, so this kind of discussion is moot.

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U.S. population ca. 330M, Sweden ca. 10M, Denmark ca. 6M

It will be 2-3 years before we can declare winners and losers.

 

[Bc'z]

Incompetent government agencies give unbelievable numbers. How many have Really died from Covid?

So far in the county I live in we are up to ONE. An 83 year old early on. Did they really die from it? My
Aunt died a couple months ago, cause of death... Covid.....bullcrap, she was 93, quit eating a couple weeks before, and died. Tested positive, but no symptoms...wtf?

Sorry to hear about your aunt. Sounds like she had a full productive life @93.

I also find this very interesting. Member SGK who has been a huge contributor to this thread seems to know many; everyone else, not so much.

You would think that we would be a pretty fair sampling since our community is spread far and wide, even world wide.

My own county which is huge in size but populated with about 70,000, has seen about 235 cases, (Covid and PRESUMED Covid), and two deaths.

Since we are in Oregon, we're under Kate Brown's restrictive BS. The same as some of the worst Covid hot-spots in the country. jd

JD, I Coughed in Fred Myers yesterday, while not wearing a mask. Watching people's reactions was hilarious.
Lil did they know my coffee drink had went down the wrong pipe.
I did have a pleasant conversation with another non conformist in Bi-Mart, she's pretty much fed up and on the same page.

 

[SGK]

I also find this very interesting. Member SGK who has been a huge contributor to this thread seems to know many; everyone else, not so much.

You would think that we would be a pretty fair sampling since our community is spread far and wide, even world wide.

Yes I do know many who have had COVID, each with varying degrees of symptoms/severity. Regarding deaths, not "many" but several, yes. But I also doubt participants here (in this forum let alone in this thread) are a representative sample of the global population. Nor are experiences representative at such small sample sizes. I used to live and work in Europe. So I know a lot of people that met this 'early on'. (No doubt if I had lived in, say, Milan I'd know more.) Also, despite having grown up in a small town in a rural community, I've lived in dense urban environments for most of the last 40 years - including Auckland, Sydney, Hong Kong, NYC, Moscow, London and, now, Miami. If you live (and only circulate with people who also live) in a rural environment without many people no doubt the pandemic can feel more remote.

Thankfully the first wave is easing here in South Florida and the death toll has benefited greatly from lessons learned abroad and in the NE. Online schooling was a complete and unmitigated disaster here last week (and continues this week) mostly due to poor infrastructure and poor planning but also because parents aren't well equipped to be teacher substitutes. Basically I got no work done last week - another cost of COVID. Hopefully kids will be back in the classroom soon. Then we'll see how the northern states fare in the winter.

BTW a really interesting article in today's FT entitled "What bats can teach us about developing immunity to COVID 19." It's free to read and worth it.

 

[Siko12]

Flu season is company fast, Watching fox news the other day and the Cold may aid the virus in surviving in the air much long and this may prolong the death rate. A vaccine may be the only solution now.

 

[Brians356]

Handwringing never helps, that much I know.

@SGK, the schools here have been open for over two weeks. This county has had a 1.6% community infection rate. Against the teacher's union's loud objections and the school district medical officer's tearful warnings, the parents themselves forced the administrators to let the kids go back to classrooms. So far very few problems. Air pollution from the California wildfires is a bigger news story now.
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[SGK]

Not in Miami-Dade (where, obviously, COVID has been a greater issue). Reopening of school was delayed a week and only started last Monday. Now they are doing My School Online ('school' from home) until October 5. Everything collapsed on the first day and even now very little works. It has been a complete, unmitigated disaster despite administrators and school board etc having 6 months to figure things out. Were it not for a great little Chinese company called Zoom (thankfully I've owned the stock since January) 'school' here would be non-existent.

 

[Brians356]

Well you're right about variation between locales. Your infection rate is 6%, or approaching 4x the rate here. (I shouldn't say "rate", it's the cumulative portion of the population.)
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[SGK]

For Miami-Dade that's about right. IF all actual cases were tested confirmed cases as a percentage of pop yields an infection % of 6%. Of course many won't have been tested. Serology testing remains very limited at just 94k tests in Miami-Dade. Of those, 11.6% have tested positive according to the latest figures released. I very much doubt those tests are randomly conducted and are likely biased towards people who have reason to think they've had the disease. So perhaps the real answer is somewhere in between. There's still a long way to go. Or, who knows... We need more testing. The good news is deaths are falling, hospitalizations are falling and we continue to learn how to care for those who fall ill. But the disruption from illness, loss of work, time off work, reduced demand from changing behaviors etc remains very significant. And again it's no time for the vulnerable to come out of their foxholes. It's one thing to catch COVID and die after taking reasonable precautions. It's another to die because you were just plain stupid. At least the weather is good and there's lots to do outside which is more than one can say for those who will soon find themselves in winter. Here we crave October - May just because it's finally great to be outside.

The school issue is interesting, not because kids - or likely most teachers - are particularly vulnerable, but because of the risk is associated with extended 'families' living under one roof. It is quite common here for grandparents to live with families and, in more affluent neighborhoods, for people to have live-in housekeepers/nannies etc. (Not my cup of tea but it is for many.) So in a Miami-Dade context the discussion is more complex. In my case, if my kids aren't back in school October 5th you might see me rioting in the streets or swinging from a rope in my backyard.

 

[Brians356]

For Miami-Dade that's about right. IF all actual cases were tested confirmed cases as a percentage of pop yields an infection % of 6%. Of course many won't have been tested. Serology testing remains very limited at just 94k tests in Miami-Dade. Of those, 11.6% have tested positive according to the latest figures released. I very much doubt those tests are randomly conducted and are likely biased towards people who have reason to think they've had the disease. So perhaps the real answer is somewhere in between. There's still a long way to go. Or, who knows... We need more testing.

Do we? Recall my post five days ago (http://forum.accurateshooter.com/th...with-statistics.4001443/page-78#post-37877521) wherein was discussed typical tests probably returning many false positives. If we need more testing, let it not be blind testing, but more discriminating testing.
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[Siko12]

Whatever the outcome is, Covid has reduced the earth population. We all see this kinda stuff on the movies and never thought it could ever happen.

 

[Brians356]

Whatever the outcome is, Covid has reduced the earth population. We all see this kinda stuff on the movies and never thought it could ever happen.

Reduced it by 0.012% so far. Not the kind of stuff scary movies are made about.

Consider that the world population increases annually by 100 times that amount.
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