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Varmint Rifle Build Blog - 25x45AI (Step 3: Receiver/Bolt Truing?)

AllThingsAI

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After a hard fought battle removing my Tikka T3x barrel it was off to the next step. Time to get rid of the hammers and enter the world of 0.0001" dial indicators. Honestly I'm not a huge fan of the tenths indicator, they are very, very touchy and can provide me just as much disinformation as real information. I much prefer my 0.0005" indicator for the majority of my work, jumping into the tenths when finalizing my work (if required).

So having previously done work with T3x receivers, including making a complete bolt body from scratch, I know their engineering and machining is very good for a factory receiver. Knowing this I started with the bolt and specifically the lugs. They can be off a bit and uneven contact and wear can occur. The receiver I have is lightly used so I did have some initial indications of uneven wear on the lugs. You can easily see this on the receiver lugs. (But look at that machining! Impressive)
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Time to Sharpie up the bolt lugs. I covered the back of the bolt lugs with a black Sharpie marker and reapplied the original barrel. I like to use an empty case to engage both the chamber and the bolt while I do the contact test. This helps to assure better alignment. The bolt has some room to move inside the receiver and this can throw off your measurement. Cycling the bolt 10 or so times being sure to apply pressure both forward and backward when engaging and disengaging the bolt handle (to try to compensate for any bolt tilt during the process, kind of like sanding in a figure 8 pattern).

The results are below...no engagement on one side. Why? Bolt? Receiver?
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For me its easiest to check the lugs on the bolt first. I have a nice collet chuck on my lathe which allows me to get within a couple of tenths runout. And this was true in this case. The bolts are very nicely machined, hardened, and straight.

I indicated the lugs and they were about 0.0008" out from one to the other. Again, this is very close and is testing my measurement ability for my given setup, but it makes sense with what I saw earlier.

So let's true those puppies up. I took a little over 0.001" cut until both lugs showed no sign of sharpie. They turned out nice!
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Time to redo the contact test...If i have good even contact there is no need for me to do any work on the receiver, I crossed my fingers and............ Boom, looks good enough to me! I can always lap a bit to refine, but I certainly am within a gnats hair of true. (Both sides look exactly the same).
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This was good news. I know my bolt lugs are square, now I know my receiver lugs are square. Life is good. Measuring a receiver accurately is very difficult and requires extreme care and precise fixtures. They best I can do is set up my receiver in my squared up milled vice. After measuring the shoulder of the receiver I found that it was out <0.0005" from side so side and top to bottom. The is well within my ability to measure with this setup and a testament to Tikka/Sako quality. This certainly isn't worth touching in my book. Just holding a receiver accurately in a lathe is a challenge and I cannot get it more accurate than I'm already measuring.....THIS IS WHY I USE TIKKAS!!

More pics of the quality machining in the post below. I can only post 5 pics per post.

Stay tuned....It's barrel time
 
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Other side of lug after truing.
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Beautiful machining of the Tikka T3x. Threads are very nice, although their factory barrel threads are over cut a bit so the barrel wobbles when threading on. This is something I can remedy when threading my own barrel, it can only add to increased accuracy. Ensuring as much concentricity as possible.

Below are some other close up pics of the receiver machine. I appreciate this type of care and detail from a mass produced rifle receiver. Bolt is silky smooth due to nice fit and finish...not tooling marks causing that "zipper" sound and feel.
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Allthings -

Howdy ! Thanx for the progress update + pics !

I was wondering if you know whether the Tikka action is cast like a M-77 Ruger, or forged ?


With regards,
357Mag
 
Allthings -

Howdy ! Thanx for the progress update + pics !

I was wondering if you know whether the Tikka action is cast like a M-77 Ruger, or forged ?


With regards,
357Mag
Hi 357, I’ve worked with both and the Tikka receivers are not cast. My guess is Tikka receivers are cut from chromoly or stainless steel round bar stock. Initially turned on a lathe and then finish milled. Whatever they are doing they are keeping their quality control very high.

The Ruger M77 is another story. The tolerances on that cast receiver are terrible (at least the one I have). Castings are rough, tool marks everywhere, firing pin was off center, and the tolerances on the controller feed mechanism were not good, and don’t get me started on the threads...plus it’s not round which which I personally don’t like. I grew up with the M77 and loved it then...not so much anymore.

Tikka factory trigger is really nice too, change one spring and it’s an excellent single stage trigger at just about 2lbs. No creep at all and breaks like glass. It’s no Jewel but it’s pretty darn good for Precision varmint hunting.
 
Hi 357, I’ve worked with both and the Tikka receivers are not cast. My guess is Tikka receivers are cut from chromoly or stainless steel round bar stock. Initially turned on a lathe and then finish milled. Whatever they are doing they are keeping their quality control very high.

The Ruger M77 is another story. The tolerances on that cast receiver are terrible (at least the one I have). Castings are rough, tool marks everywhere, firing pin was off center, and the tolerances on the controller feed mechanism were not good, and don’t get me started on the threads...plus it’s not round which which I personally don’t like. I grew up with the M77 and loved it then...not so much anymore.

Tikka factory trigger is really nice too, change one spring and it’s an excellent single stage trigger at just about 2lbs. No creep at all and breaks like glass. It’s no Jewel but it’s pretty darn good for Precision varmint hunting.
You are right, Tikka receivers are machined from round bar.
 
AllThingsAI -

Thanx for the info !

Your machine work pics are great ! Good focus & where it needs to be.

Keep it comin' !


With regards,
357Mag
 
Barrel has been profiled, chambered and crowned! Write up coming soon, I have lots of pics. Give this a like if you want to see more.

Teaser: 25x45AI Cartridge with 70g Sierra Blitzking....looks like a monster!
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You are right, Tikka receivers are machined from round bar.
After looking over the Tikka receiver even closer I think the bolt channel is actually wire EDM cut! That’s the only way to get a finish that smooth internally. That’s a high end process the custom receiver manufactures make and what makes the Tikka bolt so smooth. Sure wish Tikka sold just bare receivers!
 
After looking over the Tikka receiver even closer I think the bolt channel is actually wire EDM cut! That’s the only way to get a finish that smooth internally. That’s a high end process the custom receiver manufactures make and what makes the Tikka bolt so smooth. Sure wish Tikka sold just bare receivers!
I'm quite sure that it is not wire cutted. I know that it is all machined, seen that machiningcenter/robot cell which makes them. Just a pleasure to see how easily they make them, and every receiver is measured by coordinate measuring machine.
I guess that somewhere is also some videoclips about Sako production. Here is one which I did find.
 
I'm quite sure that it is not wire cutted. I know that it is all machined, seen that machiningcenter/robot cell which makes them. Just a pleasure to see how easily they make them, and every receiver is measured by coordinate measuring machine.
I guess that somewhere is also some videoclips about Sako production. Here is one which I did find.
Awesome! Thank you for the link. Looks like they are bored then broached! Amazing factory.
 
8/31/20 Update
I use a bit of lapping compound on the lugs and cycled the bold 100 times or so. I now have nearly perfect contact. See below:
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