Neck turning pics

[Preacher]

Here's a few 22 x 6.5 x 47 Lapua's necked to .224 and turned to .011..
Shows a fired case and one ready to fire....
Cut into the shoulder just enough to not worry about those pesky doughnuts..

 

[jackieschmidt]

Here is where I end my cuts end, here are pics of the neck turned 220 Russian, then the case fired once.

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/at...5/?temp_hash=157d1dd0c76f10c0667533293fb71ca4

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/attachments/62123682-8950-474f-b423-a29981f3dfcc-jpeg.1177387/?temp_hash=157d1dd0c76f10c0667533293fb71ca4

this is a .269 neck, I turn to .012 thick. I don’t worry about a donut with the PPC or 30BR because the bullet never comes any where near it.

 

[Hoodoo]

My point is don't get lost and mired in the details. Guy who reads conditions best and makes no mistakes wins.

This. So much this. Say it louder for the people in the back.

 

[jackieschmidt]

Yes sir, I compete against them every weekend we shoot UBR, Larry Moore, Mike Ezell, Brud Sheets, Richard Alford and many more! Just go to the UBR website and you'll find my name at the bottom ;-) The ones that came apart are all 30BR and not sure if that makes any difference, I'm still learning and will be until they put me 6' under.

as for 30 BR coming apart, that is probably after dozens of firings. I do not say an exact number because no one has yet determined just how many times you can fire a 30BR case before it is not worthy.
I suppose neck separation might be the limit.

 

[Shooter13]

as for 30 BR coming apart, that is probably after dozens of firings. I do not say an exact number because no one has yet determined just how many times you can fire a 30BR case before it is not worthy.
I suppose neck separation might be the limit.

LOL yes, I quit using them once the neck comes off!! You make me LOL

 

[Shooter13]

This. So much this. Say it louder for the people in the back.

I do understand that but preparing to be able to shoot I feel is very important and I want to be as prepared as I can.

 

[Shooter13]

Here is where I end my cuts end, here are pics of the neck turned 220 Russian, then the case fired once.

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/at...5/?temp_hash=157d1dd0c76f10c0667533293fb71ca4

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/at...7/?temp_hash=157d1dd0c76f10c0667533293fb71ca4

this is a .269 neck, I turn to .012 thick. I don’t worry about a donut with the PPC or 30BR because the bullet never comes any where near it.

Yes sir, next barrel I'm going to a .268 neck I think, the .262 brass is turned to .00825 to make a .260 loaded round. Thanks for your input.

 

[DJSBRS]

I can turn out 5 cases a minute on an IDOD...without trying to be quick. I’ve turned 100 pieces of .284 in under 20min. No lube to apply or clean up but have to clean out interior chips so that time saved is a wash. I would think it would be a worthwhile investment for a brass prepping service. Any comment DJ?

The customer doesn't care how long it takes me, they want their brass as near perfect that I can do it. I try to do my very best on each piece I touch. Accuracy is what counts and what has my customers coming back after 10 years of service. Complete money back guarantee customer satisfaction is all that matters to me. I have not raised my neck turning prices in 10 years. Hopefully, my customers know how much I really appreciate their valued business.

But I am just an old man that understands why there are others that believe they have a better way, but does a better way always achieve better results?

Congratulations on your achievement of 5 cases per minute.

DJ
DJ's Brass Service

 

[DJSBRS]

DJ - what do you use for turning? Time is money when you’re doing it as a job.

PM sent

 

[jackieschmidt]

I have cut into the shoulder a bit more than I wanted to on ocassion but have never had a case come apart and I load on the warm side. I do use a cutter with a 30 degree angle. My point is don't get lost and mired in the details. Guy who reads conditions best and makes no mistakes wins.

True, but one simple fact of Benchrest is you are no better than the Rifle sitting in the bags.

 

[JEFFPPC]

I agree, but without the other elements in place a well tuned rifle is not in itself enough, but we all seem to obsess over it. As a sidenote Jackie, I always look forward to reading you advice and experiences.I never go to the line that I don't have confidence in my rifle and its tune. The rest of it is on me. Thanks for your participation on this forum. You have been one of my guiding lights in this sport the last 20 years. I am a firm believer in the last sentence in my last comment. I hope you enjoy a successful and healthy season this year.

 

[Shooter13]

Just an update: Not lost a single case, my 6PPC is shooting much better them I can, my last 3 shoots with it are 505, 503 and a 505 (UBR) not won anything but sure as heck feel better about all the work going into it. The 30BR continues to baffle, it may get rebarrelled as a 6PPC or 6 grendel or a 6 grinch. Every time I pull the trigger on that sucker she smacks me down , I feel like I'm riding a bucking bronco (not to be confused with the new Ford Bronco), she actually bucks in the bags.

 

[jepp2]

25-06 from Lapua 30-06. This was the neck turning prior to necking down.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

25-06 from Lapua 30-06. This was the neck turning prior to necking down.
View attachment 1191732

Am i just seeing them in bad light or is every one turned to a different spot like you were stopping them on your own rather than the case mouth stopping them?

 

[jepp2]

is every one turned to a different spot like you were stopping them on your own rather than the case mouth stopping them?

Not the light. I let the mandrel stop the turn, but I hadn't trimmed the cases. Since I was going to neck down and turn them again I just wanted to get to the shoulder. Of course after necking them down, that point is now about 40% down the shoulder of the case.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Lookin good there^

 

[esromvre1]

True, but one simple fact of Benchrest is you are no better than the Rifle sitting in the bags.

true but on the other side the rifle is no better than the person sitting behind it

 

[Shooter13]

true but on the other side the rifle is no better than the person sitting behind it

We know that but the whole point is "make everything the best it can be" so that when I fail I have NO ONE to blame but me and that is the way I like it (I never blame anyone else except me anyway).

 

[mikecr]

I turn new cases to this:

It's enough & ready for basic fire forming.
I don't trim cases until they're ready, often several reload cycles or more down the road. So I don't use any stop in my turning. I just stop by hand/eye, which is easy enough.

You know, your cutter angle does not actually match shoulder angle, right?
That's fine, you don't want it to.
Ideally cutter angle is a tiny bit higher than actual shoulder angle, so that you can turn the entire neck length plus a small bit of neck-shoulder junction (as pictured).
Any further turning down the shoulder is just weakening that much for nothing. Less turning is missing donut area thickness that would then roll into necks.

Your plan from this might need adjusting, depending on what you're forming.

 

[whatwind?]

First try....and the scraps

RP 300 WSM started at 335/6 and tried to go to 323 and first one said no, so went to 328 and then 319