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Stainless steel or Chrome molly

Thermal conduction is one of the main reasons I am curious about CrMo. Stainless is a notoriously bad conductor of heat. Thus heat builds up in the throat, limiting repeat fire or causing damage. CrMo should be better for 22 round strings on a hot day.
 
CrMo Thermal Conductivity - 28 - 43 W/Cm-Deg. C (Higher Chromium content the lower the conductivity
Type 304, Type 316 SS - 16 W/Cm-deg. C
 
I was going to edit my post about HY steels. Might not be seen. I am going to hop up on my soapbox. I am a retired nuc eng tech. Saw sections of beautiful war fighter submarines go past my window to be sold for pennies on the dollar. One time I walked up to the edge of DD#3 where the SSN 672 Pintado was sitting in the keel blocks. I was with a couple of buds, it was their boat. The cutting torches started and I looked over and my buds had walked away, two strong, grown men brought to tears by their boat being cut up. I will never forget it.
Anyhoo, submarine hulls are made of HY 80 or HY 100. It's a low carbon low alloy steel. with nickle, chromium and molybdenum (Ni-Cr-Mo) as alloying agents. Sub hulls are about 3" thick. They are cut into sections about 6' wide. Sold for pennies on the dollar as scrap. With the use of waterjet cutting one should be able to make starting material for barrel blanks. Screw that swords into plow shares crap. Any chance to turn swords to barrels? My ex submariner buds would be pleased. As a taxpayer I would like to see the hulls put to a better use than razor blades. Mike
 
It is widely known that stainless will outlast CM...ie longer service life.

Can you verify that?

There are a lot of myths that are widely believed. But something that is unproven cannot be widely known.

As an astute previous poster mentioned, the categories of "416" and "Chromoly" are too broad for any meaningful comparison. If one chooses the extreme ends of the spectrum within each family, he could easily "prove" that chromoly is better than stainless, or "prove" that stainless is better than chromoly.

416 tempered and cold drawn is different than 416 annealed. Likewise for 4140 or 4150.

The critical property *I* would look at is the yield strength of the material *at temperature*. It's commonly known that 4140/50 has the desirable attribute of maintaining much of it's yield strength when hot. This is why 4140 is the default material for almost anything that must be strong when hot.

The highest Sy that 416 can achieve at a good temper is about 983MPa.

4140 with a heat treat and 540C temper can approach 1050 MPA yield.

So if you make a barrel from either material that is heat treated specifically for maximum yield strength, then the 4140 will have a higher yield strength than 416.

But then your gunsmith will complain about trying to machine 4140 or 416 at a hardness of 37-39 HRC. Not going to happen. Because smiths are generally more interested in easy of achieving good result than how long that result lasts.

Yield strength is important because it directly correlates to fatigue life. And fatigue life at temperature is what determines how much heat cycling a surface can take until it is fire cracking and checking.


One thing I've learned as an engineer is that there's no free lunch. Any material that has a particular advantage over another almost certainly has a major disadvantage to it as well.

Stainless obviously has the huge advantage of corrosion resistance. My experience suggest that the scales balance somehow-- Chromoly has some advantage are we'd use stainless for everything. Given that match grade barrels come in both materials at similar costs, you can conclude that machinability and cost aren't hugely different.

If I wanted a max-life barrel, I would go with nitrided 4150. Preferably a non-white layer gas nitriding process. Salt bath would be OK too, but not as desirable because of the brittle white layer that will break down with thermal cycles or impacts.(microcracking).


So what you can safely conclude is that the advantage of one material over the other really boils down to the tooling used to cut and form it. If the tooling is capable, the material can be harder and more durable. But with basic HSS cutting tools ubiquitous in the small shops of the gunsmith trade, you can all but guarantee that your barrel life is being sacrificed so the smith has an easier time machining it.

Heat treat matters more than what AISI designation attaches to a particular steel. If you are comparing steel grades without specificying heat treat, it's apples vs oranges.
 
Just to be clear, better heat conduction means heat moves to the surface sooner and is rejected to the environment. CrMo stays cooler at the throat.
They can think of it this way- the same exact amount of heat is introduced into the inside of the barrel. If the metal conducts heat faster that same amount of heat will spread out into the metal faster so say 1btu of heat is introduced into 25sq in of barrel in 1 second that heat will travel farther away and be evened out more in the cm barrel than the harder to travel thru stainless barrel.
 

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