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AR 15 build advice

well lets start with some facts
16" ar's from close to the bottom of the quality level are typically 1-2 moa rifles. now add "bulk" ammo to the mix and that 2 inch number becomes more popular.
try a couple of types of ammo and then buy a bunch of what shoots best.

To me this will be strictly a home defense/anti tyranny piece. I plan to shoot it enough to begin with to be familiar with one in a pinch. As far as accuracy requirements It'd be nice if it was capable of shooting a few kinds of bulk ammo under moa @ 100 yds. I don't see myself chasing benchrest accuracy with it at all, as I don't plan to reload for it.
 
"bulk" ammo to the mix and that 2 inch number becomes more popular.
I "read" folks getting sub 1" groups consistently from XM193, but that hasn't been my experience. I may get an occasional group in the .6's or .7's at 100m, but the vast majority are the 2" number. And that is with some better quality barrels in 7T, 8T, and 9T. Maybe I buy my ammo in the wrong place?
 
I started with AR rifles in the 70's, my first was surplus parts in a box and took several years to finish due to no info back in those days. No internet and nobody was interested in a Mattel or Tonka toy rifle. Still have that old 20in rifle built on an special Olympics lower. The main ingrediants are the bolt, barrel and trigger. Had a gas key malfunction once, rough barrel extension and a sorry high dollar barrel. Probably the most reliable rack grade AR rifles to me are the Delton rifle kits. The upper configuration is a biggie to me on how complicated a sight I want. Personally, I like the A2 for the simplicity. Been the route of trying to have a precision AR and still have a few. Now I shoot PMC Bronze with an Aimpoint on a carbine at steel gongs and have fun. The most reliable parts to me are Larue barrels and Young BCG. HOPE THIS HELPS
 
I’d stay away from the really cheap stuff. There are lots of ways that the poor QA can bite you either immediately or down the road.
 
You might want to wait for a little while. There may be several for sale in Virginia very soon.
 
There is so much that can be said here; but given what you've mentioned so far, there is no right or better answer. More details are beneficial, maybe start with what budget range you want to be in? Behind the door self-defense means it should probably be 100% reliable. Hard to do it right if you don't know how to do it. I'd say start with the AGI videos, and continue researching and detailing what you want.

-Mac
 
Warning, 1 can lead to several. I’ll give the same recommendation I give people on scopes. Buy the best you can afford.
Take a look at Daniel Defense, Les Baer, J.P. Enterprise, and others like that. Do you want light weight? Easy to carry and shoot fast? Or 20” match barrel to shoot golf balls at 200 and 300 yards? 223? 6mm? 6.5 Grendel? 300 Blackout suppressed?
I’ve made the mistake of trying to under buy to save money only to ending up spending more in the end.

I’ve always wanted a 6mm AR turbo.
 
Joe Bob's and PSA are ok for parts, I really like Aero Precision for quality/price combo. They're one of the few that actually make their own receivers. The last blem lower ingot from them simply had the engraving messed up. That's it.

Honestly, I'd budget around $700 for a complete, well functioning rifle that you can rely on, potentially including sights/optics.

Careful, BRD (black rifle disease) can strike at any time. My latest match rifle was built from spare parts, only needed to order like 3 things to complete it, lol!
 
I have built a lot of ARs. Done my own triggers for years although the aftermarket suggestions here are spot on. I built a 6x45 with an Anderson upper/lower combo.Installed a Rock River NM trigger with JP springs and an AR Stoner barrel. I didn't have anything ready for a friendly UBR match at my club except this rifle. So I showed up with it and 100 75 gr Sierra HPs over 3031. The 2 Benchrest rifles ( both 6ppc ) beat me up but I finished ahead of every factory rifle and one XP 100 there.
As said,barrel and trigger.
Oh one other thing, I did face the upper with my tool from Brownells. It sure seems to give consistent barrel nut torque and enhance accuracy.
 
So I think the time has come that I feel I should own an AR. To be honest...I've kinda been opposed to the idea that I NEED one, but it's been on my mind as of late. A friend showed me one he recently built using PSA parts for like 400 bucks all in, and said he's very pleased with it. I know nothing about them, but like the idea of bargain shopping for parts over a period of time to put one together. I believe his qualifies as a pistol with a 13.5" bbl, but I would want a rifle, so 16" plus on the bbl.

I'm looking for some advice from seasoned AR owners/builders here on what parts to buy, and what to pass on when building a budget AR. I want economical parts, but not junk parts. I want common stuff that interchanges easily with another brand parts. Not really looking for recommendations on complete rifles at this time. All new to me, so....Perhaps there are specific sales from time to time I should be aware of?

There is no reason to build the economic/cheap AR15... there are dozens of models readily available in the price point. You can't build it for the same amount...it will cost +30% higher even after you wait all year to find each part on super sale. Its your first AR15 and it sounds like you have a modest budget so buy something already assembled and start learning to shoot it and get comfortable before you bother to build one. After you have some time on the rifle you'll find out what you like and where you want to spend your money. Then, go build your 1st rifle that you'll want to keep using.

Go look at Primary Arms, Palmetto State Armory, JoeBobs, Preppergunshop... they will all have complete rifles that you can afford and start shooting today. The money you save from paying a 2nd markup on the components to build the gun can now be used to buy an optic and a bunch of magazines. Remeber, buy at least one 20 round magazine and always leave it in your range bag... it is short enough that your can shoot the gun off a bipod or sandbag without it getting high-centered on the 30 round magazine.

Final word of advise - don't buy a Radical Firearms. They have established a reputation for being unable to deliver a dependable firearm...
 
So I think the time has come that I feel I should own an AR. To be honest...I've kinda been opposed to the idea that I NEED one, but it's been on my mind as of late. A friend showed me one he recently built using PSA parts for like 400 bucks all in, and said he's very pleased with it. I know nothing about them, but like the idea of bargain shopping for parts over a period of time to put one together. I believe his qualifies as a pistol with a 13.5" bbl, but I would want a rifle, so 16" plus on the bbl.

I'm looking for some advice from seasoned AR owners/builders here on what parts to buy, and what to pass on when building a budget AR. I want economical parts, but not junk parts. I want common stuff that interchanges easily with another brand parts. Not really looking for recommendations on complete rifles at this time. All new to me, so....Perhaps there are specific sales from time to time I should be aware of?


I can only tell you what has worked for me. Rock River or Palmetto State are the two stripped lowers with which I work most often. Both are fine, but you can find deals on PSA all the time. My last buy I paid $39 per.
Brownell's , PSA, or DPMS work fine for lower parts kits. Lose the trigger assy. and pay for a Geissele. They have many flavors, so choose the one that matches your needs. I usually use the SSA series; sometimes the SSA-E if I want a somewhat lighter pull. The SSA is 4.5#, the E is 3.5#, and both are two stage, which I prefer. YMMV and they make single stage options, as do many others.

If you have all the tools, then I won't go through the list. One thing that I will recommend is Glen Zediker's book on building the AR. It is in spiral bound lay flat format, and he gives many tricks that have been very helpful, at least to me.

As far as grips are concerned, I like the ERGO from Falcon Ind. Some like the MagPul, some others like the standard-it's all personal preference as to what fits your hand. One thing that I do highly recommend is the MagPul enhanced trigger guard. It is aluminum vs. plastic and gives plenty of room for gloves, which you will likely be wearing should you have to use the AR for what you describe, in hot or cold conditions.

Stocks are again personal preference. Adjustable stocks work well if you're planning on wearing body armor, as it allows for the increased thickness. I despise the standard Colt style collapsible stock, and much prefer the Vltor or the MagPul. If an A2 style is what you prefer, which is what I do prefer even when wearing BA as I have a long LOP, then any A2 style will work.

Make sure that you match the buffer with the tube, as it comes in two styles, MilSpec and commercial. The MilSpec is smaller in diameter and will rattle like an old VW if you use it in a commercial tube. Also make sure that you match the weight of the buffer with both the stock type you choose and the type (length) of gas tube that you use. This is determined by where the gas port is located on the barrel. There are a few differences depending upon whether you are using pistol, carbine, mid length, or rifle. Bolt timing issues are why this needs some thought. Too slow, too fast, both can cause feeding problems.

If you are going to get a finished upper from a vendor, then I won't go into details on a build. I will say, that if you are serious IRT actual use in action, buy the best that you can afford, as the cheapos are that price for a reason, and likely will not withstand the rigors involved. Extractors, ejectors, BCG and bolt materials, barrels and their composition are all players. Many people will denigrate chrome lined barrels and chambers, but the reason that .mil still uses them is wear from long strings of fire, both full auto and semi, as well as corrosion resistance when routine maintenance may be sketchy at best. They can be accurate, and they are, in my experience, accurate enough, usually 2-3 MOA at worst. Chambering should be in 5.56 vs. .223. There is a difference, and a max 5.56 in a min .223 can cause difficulties.

Needless to say, if you do decide to build it yourself, a torque wrench and headspace gauges are essential, as are some other tools. I recommend a A3 or flat top style upper, as it allows better use of optics. ALWAYS include Back Up Iron Sights (BUIS) on any A3 style upper, because if your optics crap out, you don't have any way to aim, and an AR, especially with a collapsible stock, makes a really crummy CQB weapon, even with a bayonet attached.

Anyway, good luck with your choices, and have fun with the build. You will likely find that it's kind of like Lay's 'tater chips, you can't just have one.
 
If you want a budget shooter buy one complete or a completed upper and lower.

If you want to build one from parts you can be selective on the components. Here are some of my preferences:

Aero Precision receivers: Nicely made quality parts at a good price. Using the same manufacturer for the upper and lower pays off.

White Oak barrels. Big selection of quality barrels.

Geissele triggers: Excellent quality. Lots of selection.

JP Rifles bolts, bolt carrier and their Silent Capture recoil spring/buffer system.

Magpul pistol grip and stock and mags.

Just buy Mill Spec for the remaining small parts. You can buy a parts kit less the trigger parts. DPMS makes good Mill Spec parts.
 
I got the urge recently myself. No nothing about ARs except my paratrooper m16 days. Bought all the parts from Midway AR Stoner. Bought dies, components etc. Vortex 1x6. Did a full on barrel break in. It shoots moa, functions perfect, throws my good brass in the weeds, goes boing like a spring. And damn it's ugly. Urge satisfied. Glad that's over. Back to REAL rifles. Mike. Flame suit on!
 
OP ,

I see you are from PA, in your backyard is Keystone Accuracy, owned by John Scandale, give him a shout or visit him

John knows how to build ARs, he shot for the Army National Guard Team, won his share accolades at Camp Perry, including winning the 1000 yard service rifle match with his 20 inch AR15 in 223. All with iron sights.

Custom AR Barrels | Keystone Accuracy
https://www.keystoneaccuracy.com/
 
OP ,

I see you are from PA, in your backyard is Keystone Accuracy, owned by John Scandale, give him a shout or visit him

John knows how to build ARs, he shot for the Army National Guard Team, won his share accolades at Camp Perry, including winning the 1000 yard service rifle match with his 20 inch AR15 in 223. All with iron sights.

Custom AR Barrels | Keystone Accuracy
https://www.keystoneaccuracy.com/

that sounds like good advice. I also would like to put a plug in for WOA. My last upper build, a month ago was with their parts. I already had a Lilja Grendel barrel. I purchased parts over the holidays and saved. They have quality parts and good prices and service.
They also make match uppers and rifles ready to compete with.
 
So I think the time has come that I feel I should own an AR. To be honest...I've kinda been opposed to the idea that I NEED one, but it's been on my mind as of late. A friend showed me one he recently built using PSA parts for like 400 bucks all in, and said he's very pleased with it. I know nothing about them, but like the idea of bargain shopping for parts over a period of time to put one together. I believe his qualifies as a pistol with a 13.5" bbl, but I would want a rifle, so 16" plus on the bbl.

I'm looking for some advice from seasoned AR owners/builders here on what parts to buy, and what to pass on when building a budget AR. I want economical parts, but not junk parts. I want common stuff that interchanges easily with another brand parts. Not really looking for recommendations on complete rifles at this time. All new to me, so....Perhaps there are specific sales from time to time I should be aware of?
You have a PM
 

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