Is Titegroup to fast of powder for a 44 mag rifle?

[Albertaktm]

My load data for my 240 grain copper plated 44 mag flat nosed 0.429" bullets called out Titegroup among others for a powder 9 to 10 grains. Mag pistol primers

I bought a pound but haven't loaded anything yet. Upon further review, I'm thinking it may be too fast of a powder for a 18" Henry Rifle.

I can get H or N110 too but I have the Titegroup Also Hodgdon calls out 4.7 to 10 grains standard large pistol primer


I have no issues getting another powder. It is very hard finding much for 240 grain plated bullets in a rifle. Some but not much

 

[Gb300wm]

You won’t get full power loads. Ww296 is all I’ve ever used in the 44 mag. This is the go to powder for the 44 mag. H110 is very similar and 2400 is also a fine choice.

 

[Albertaktm]

So bail on the Titegroup? It's just for plinking. Not hunting

 

[SSL]

As a general rule if thumb, if it works in a revolver it will work in a rifle. Depending the load and barrel length, expect to get 150 to 300 fps increase with the same charge. Check Hodgdon's reloading site to see. Titegroup can turn over 1,400 fps with top loads of Titegroup. No reason not to give it a try.

 

[lawman29]

I have a Cimarron 1892 in .45 long colt. Fought it with powders & bullets. Then found magic with Tite Group 6.4 gr and Hornady XTP 250 gr...
You might try some 240 gr XTP and some of the slower powders previously discussed.

 

[AJC]

Tightgroup is good because it's not position sensitive and case fill seems like a non issue as well. No mag primer required either. For slow plinking round it should work. For steel siloette you may need a little knock down power. 2400 may be a good fit if your doing that and or hunting.

 

[Jaybo]

My go to powder for the 44 mag is H110 or win296 and 2400 these three powders are the best you'll find for the 44 Magnum. Especially for the 240 and 270 or 300 grain bullet.

 

[alleycat]

H110 worked better for me in .357 ,41 & 44 Mags vs 296 or 2400

 

[Albertaktm]

Tightgroup is good because it's not position sensitive and case fill seems like a non issue as well. No mag primer required either. For slow plinking round it should work. For steel siloette you may need a little knock down power. 2400 may be a good fit if your doing that and or hunting.

'The bullet manufacturing company recommended Mag primers for all powders for the bullet. H110, 2400, N110. Were all on their 240 data sheet.

 

[SSL]

Just for clarification, Alliant specifically states that non-magnum primers should be used with 2400. H110/W296 (actually the same powder-check Hodgdon loading info and compare them with any cartridge) generally work better with magnum primers. I haven't used H110/W296 for years, and only then with jacketed bullets, but have burned a great many pounds of 2400 with cast bullets and standard primers with never a failure to ignite. Lately, I have been working with CFE Pistol for mid-range 265-grain "working" loads.

 

[DocBII]

Albertatkm,

I use VV N-110 iwith WLRs for my Ruger .44 mag rifle. 240 and 300 gr. XTPs, the 300 gr. bullets cycle better in my rifle. The VV is slightly faster than the other 110s, and QL showed it pretty much all burned in my 16" barrel.

HTH,
DocBII

 

[Zero333]

If hodgdon has rifle data for the 44remmag with titegroup and 240's than it's OK to use. But like everyone already said... if you want top velocities, titegroup is not your powder.

But when it comes to accuracy, titegroup rarely disappoints.

 

[Albertaktm]

If hodgdon has rifle data for the 44remmag with titegroup and 240's than it's OK to use. But like everyone already said... if you want top velocities, titegroup is not your powder.

But when it comes to accuracy, titegroup rarely disappoints.

'Thanks, I'm just getting into reloading and see that lots of guys, companies, marketing are all hot to trot with the highest velocity.

'As Richard Lee said in his book, " High velocity loads may be your objective but if the result is 10" groups, I'll take a lower velocity load and tight groups any day".

 

[Oso]

'Thanks, I'm just getting into reloading and see that lots of guys, companies, marketing are all hot to trot with the highest velocity.

'As Richard Lee said in his book, " High velocity loads may be your objective but if the result is 10" groups, I'll take a lower velocity load and tight groups any day".

Titegroup is a great powder (burn fast and clean), but it has its purpose. In time as you gain more experience reloading, you will learn that there are any number of component combinations that will work for a given cartridge. Many of the cartridges we shoot are legacy and were designed using black powder, which requires a much greater case volume then today' modern powder. The Biggest Concern with reloading is SAFETY.

Start slow... pick a powder that will give you good performance but more importantly decrease your risk of a double charge. Titegroup poses a significant risk of double charge (very low case fill). My suggestion to you as a new reloader is that you pick a different powder... there are plenty of great alternatives.

 

[AJC]

'Thanks, I'm just getting into reloading and see that lots of guys, companies, marketing are all hot to trot with the highest velocity.

'As Richard Lee said in his book, " High velocity loads may be your objective but if the result is 10" groups, I'll take a lower velocity load and tight groups any day".

Things are rarely this simple. It is true some powders dont work well in some guns but you have to test to find out. You also have to test the load range for each powder not just one sample. The faster powders are easier because their load range is narrow. Tightgroup fits in this group. If you are looking for a powder to do everything then unique is the one. It is rarely the best performance powder but with a little looking there is a published load for darn near everything.

Primers in my loads are selected by two factors. 1. The powder-h110 and w296 are powders that call for mag primers along with 300-mp. 2. Case capacity- very large cartridges call for mag primers due to powder volume.
A special consideration is a book load that calls for a mag primer. In this case I will test both if I believe a mag primer is not required. I load a lot of 357 loads with a standard primer.

 

[Zero333]

I agree with @Oso
I totally forgot about the double charge risk with titegroup.

It's always best to pick a powder that fills the case as much as possible (with out having to compress it when seating the bullet).

Titegroup works great in the 9mm Parabellum / 9mm Luger / 9x19 / 9mm NATO.

Even tho you can use it in the 44 RemMag, it's not the best choice.

 

[farmerjohn]

AJC and Zero are both right, I would love to see in one container the Unique that I've burned over the last 40 years, it's a go to powder for a lot of different cartridges. I just hate cleaning up after it, it's a lot like varget, but it works..... and also if you want max loads in the rifle stay with H110, 296, or 2400 IMHO
John

 

[Ragnar]

This is a post from the firing line. “Ram shot Enforcer is the same powder as Accurate 4100, which I use for 44 magnum (same as H110 and WW296 are the same powder, just different labels).

It is a very high density, fine grained powder and works superbly through a powder measure. In my 10" Encore pistol I can seat bullets out to 1.74" COL, giving me a measured 1365 fps with Nosler or Sierra 300 gr jacketed bullets. These loads burn cleanly and do NOT use a magnum primer, but CCI-300 or WLP. Gives almost identical velocities as Accurate #9, weight for weight, but with less pressure. Burn rate is between 2400 and H110, and about the same as Li'l Gun and SR4759.

Accuracy is excellent. I have fired a 5-shot group at 50 yards off sandbagged rest measuring 0.938" with these loads. Highly recommended.”
That said -years ago got me interested in using it in our family’s.41 magnums. Very happy with it’s performance and accuracy with Grizzlies 265gr lead w/gas checks. The big surprise was how well it hammers out of a .41 Henry (one ragged hole) at 100 yds if i do my part driving. Good luck !
Shawn

 

[Uncle Ed]

I use plated bullets and Titegroup in my S&W 29 .44 Magnum for lite practice loads and even use a taper crimp. And if you want hot loads then 296 or H110 and a heavy roll crimp will work. So just decide what you want to practice with and what you want to hunt with.

Using Quickload for the .44 Magnum my Titegroup load was 100% burned in the first 3 inches of barrel length. And using 296 or H110 in a 20 inch rifle barrel it never reached 100% powder burned.