New JOYpod feet from Seb

[Turbulent Turtle]

I received the new feet for my JOYpod. These are made my Seb and you can get them through Ernie Bishop.

They replace the existing feet and add one ounce to the whole unit. I switched out the feet for these new ones in just a few minutes. As we have come to expect from Seb, they are well made and fit perfectly. Just as a note, make sure you screw in the two screws all the way in so there is nothing sticking out to prevent the feet from swiveling freely. You can tighten the horizontal screws to whatever degree you like; I have mine set so the feet adjust nicely, but do not dangle. Add a touch of blue Loctite to keep the setting.

I'm including some pictures.

 

[CADDIE5]

How much are the new feet from Ernie?

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

How much are the new feet from Ernie?

Call him or email him.

 

[Scott Harris]

Very nice, I don't own the SEB, but that is an improvement!

 

[SEB-USA]

$75 shipped

 

[Barossa_222]

They promote tracking and are illegal for use in F Class. Guns have been pulled off the mound and protests lodged at recent events.

 

[XTR]

They promote tracking and are illegal for use in F Class. Guns have been pulled off the mound and protests lodged at recent events.

Where? No more than the feet that have been on Phoenix bipods since the day they made the first one.

Dan Polabel has been making feet like that for the Seb for several yrs now with no protests that I have heard. I'm pretty sure Jade was running them on his rifle when he won the US FCNC.

 

[BP1]

They promote tracking and are illegal for use in F Class. Guns have been pulled off the mound and protests lodged at recent events.

Please tell so we can avoid those places..

 

[Trevor60]

Where? No more than the feet that have been on Phoenix bipods since the day they made the first one.

Dan Polabel has been making feet like that for the Seb for several yrs now with no protests that I have heard. I'm pretty sure Jade was running them on his rifle when he won the US FCNC.

Dan's feet are one piece with no groove cut into them. I purchased a set Sept 2019

I am not sure what exactly he is referring to but my best guess; he is referring to the grooves cut into the feet (which can create tracks). Your board or plate set up would need to conform and not use material that would allow your feet to create tracks

F2.9.The use of ‘tables’ i.e. a single flat solid surface extending under both front rest and rear bag is prohibited. Carpet or similarly flexible matting may be placed under the front rest and rear bag. Separate flat boards and or plates not exceeding the dimensions of the individual rests by two inches on any given side may also be placed under the front rest and rear bag. In the case of a bipod the board or plate may be as wide as necessary to accommodate the bipod at its widest point, but not be more than 12" front to rear. It is not permitted to provide tracks for the guidance of bipod feet nor allow the feet to create them. No levelling screws or protrusions are allowed on these boards or plates. They must be flat on the top and bottom: a hole to facilitate carrying the plate is permissible but it may not be used, whether alone or conjunction with anything else, so as to prevent movement of the plate in the firing point.

I would be very interested to hear whose and where the feet were challenged; was it the feet specifically or combination.

Trevor

 

[XTR]

I've heard the comment in the past about the SEB bags develop tracks. (I have the bipod, but not the bag) The idea being that because they are sandbags they can develop grooves or tracks over the course of a match, esp with a pod that has narrow "feet". I'm sure that some [insert insulting epithet here] might possibly protest someone for it. Whether or not that protest would be upheld is totally up to the individual match official.

 

[Medic505]

It is not permitted to provide tracks for the guidance of bipod feet nor allow the feet to create them

If I interpret this line correctly, the grove formed in a nappy carpet from bipod feet is illegal?

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

They promote tracking and are illegal for use in F Class. Guns have been pulled off the mound and protests lodged at recent events.

Well, Australians drink beer upside down, so why should we be concerned what they think?

Compared to the ones from Dan, these are very flat. I have seen Dan's product used on deep pile carpeting and that causes me to pause. The surface I use is very flat and bare, so no tracking here. On the other hand, the feet are now completely flat regardless of terrain or angle.

 

[Trevor60]

If I interpret this line correctly, the grove formed in a nappy carpet from bipod feet is illegal?

I interpret it the same way. i have never seen it enforced

I would be interested to hear the context Barossa_222 references, as he suggest the feet themselves were protested.

Trevor

 

[Toejoe12]

Well, Australians drink beer upside down, so why should we be concerned what they think?

Compared to the ones from Dan, these are very flat. I have seen Dan's product used on deep pile carpeting and that causes me to pause. The surface I use is very flat and bare, so no tracking here. On the other hand, the feet are now completely flat regardless of terrain or angle.

Then the feet on the Phoenix bipod must also give you pause since they are virtually identical correct?

 

[jasmay]

They promote tracking and are illegal for use in F Class. Guns have been pulled off the mound and protests lodged at recent events.

Whilst it is true that guns have been pulled off the mound and protests lodged in all incidents they have been deemed legal.

This has so far happened at 2 events, 1 protest involved myself, the RO at the event was consulted and deemed it ok for use. Further clarity was sought from the NRAA’s chief range office who also deemed them ok.

Recently the NRAA rules director was also approached and after further examining the incidents and new feet also has agreed they are legal.

So yes, while it is correct there has been guns pulled off the mound and protests lodged, in all occasions the shooter was allowed to continue and the feet deemed legal.

Again, the feet are no different from many other styles that have been in production for several years and cleared for use.

 

[seb]

I deleted my reply, thank you for the clarification Jason!
seb

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

Then the feet on the Phoenix bipod must also give you pause since they are virtually identical correct?

Yep.

When I see a bipod with virtual knife blades as skis riding in parallel slits cut in a deep pile carpeting, that gives me pause.

I have been using the JOYpod for several years now and I love it. It works very well for me, but like anything that has moving parts, you need to fiddle with it from time to time to keep in in tiptop condition. About the only thing that I thought needed improving were the original feet. As I described earlier, I use a flat board with a bare covering on which the bipod rides freely in all directions. Because of the orientation of the feet and the fact the ground is uneven from position to position, let alone from range to range, it was a challenge to get the feet to lay flat; more often than not the bipod would ride on the back of the feet; not optimum.

The new feet, just like the other replacement feet, now ride my flat board properly and I hope that will help me hold the rifle better during follow through. I've only tested with a few rounds from a bench; after this weekend's match, I'll come back and report my observations.

 

[Medic505]

I don't view the feet as a potential problem. What the feet are riding on is another story.

It is not permitted to provide tracks for the guidance of bipod feet nor allow the feet to create them.

This ^^^^^ is a very real potential problem. I, like many others, use a piece of thick nap carpet to run my bipod on. And yes, those skinny, long feet cut tracks into the nap. How long before someone cries foul? Will the interpretation of this rule be consistent? So, I guess the answer is throw the carpet away, and learn to shoot off of something slick.

 

[Toejoe12]

I don't view the feet as a potential problem. What the feet are riding on is another story.

This ^^^^^ is a very real potential problem. I, like many others, use a piece of thick nap carpet to run my bipod on. And yes, those skinny, long feet cut tracks into the nap. How long before someone cries foul? Will the interpretation of this rule be consistent? So, I guess the answer is throw the carpet away, and learn to shoot off of something slick.

Tractor Supply sells a livestock mat for $30 or $40. One of my buddies got one several years ago and has cut many FTR front mats from it and supplied several of our team members one. Short money for the amount of mats you can get from 1 piece. We covered ours with a piece of cloth, folded over and glued underneath. It is slick but a bipod with feet track really well. It takes practice to get used to but also tells me when my set up isn't quite right by how far my rifle recoils off my target. Lastly it is perfectly legal and within the rules if you cut it to the appropriate size.

 

[Medic505]

Lastly it is perfectly legal and within the rules if you cut it to the appropriate size.

I know this is another can of worms but, being flexible, size doesn't matter. Or so I've been told. (where have I heard that before ??)