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The excellent 7mm Sherman Short Mag

Late last year I decided to move away from "small" calibers, i.e. 6MMs and 6.5MMs, in favor of the .300 W.S.M. So far the decision to go that route has paid off handsomely! However, a friend of mine, John Farraggio, a.k.a. "Cognac Jack" on here, told me about a cartridge I had never heard of, The 7mm Sherman Short Magnum. After looking at the cartridge and speaking with Rich Sherman, I decided to give it a try.. My goal was to shoot the 184 Hybrids somewhere above 2900f.p.s. I like 7mm ballistics, however, the 7mm always seemed to me to be a P.I.T.A. to get tuned properly and KEEP it tuned properly. I am not a ballistician so I never could figure why I was having trouble. However, after looking at the Sherman case, it looked exactly like a 6mm Dasher on steroids! I thought "well this may be the answer to my issue"! I called Rich to get the "particulars" on his creation. I can't remember the exact dimensions but I can give you a pretty close approximation to what it is: a 7mm S.A.U.M. case shortened by 90 thousandths, the neck shortened from the forming BUT still, I believe, 40 thousandths LONGER than the standard S.A.U.M. neck. Then it is "Acklyized" with a 40 degree shoulder, however, with a somewhat "straighter case wall".. The end result is that for the shooter shooting steel or hunting, it is what the S.A.U.M. should have been!

So I decided to build one. Components: Defiance "Deviant" short action and melonited. McMillan "Kestros" stock with adjustable cheek piece and 3 way butt metal. Also that BIG 1.5" "Nitro" pad. An "old" Kelbly trigger and a Krieger 1-8.5 5R barrel and a Kahles 10-50 with the MOAK reticle. ADDITIONALLY: It should be known that this IS a proprietary cartridge and EVERYTHING has to be bought thru Rich. I got a Whidden bushing die, Forster "Ultra" competition seating die, a JGS reamer to MY specs (Rich worked with me on this one), and 7 Sherman brass ALREADY MADE UP from A.D.G. All you have to do is fireform it like any other fireforming operation.

Long story short, I got everything assembled and AFTER fireforming, I tried powders that I thought would work. H4350: I could NOT get it past 2880f.p.s without a stiff bolt lift! Why? I don't know.. H4831sc. Okay NOW we are getting somewhere. I could reach 2950 without a bolt lift issue. At 2910 it was shooting excellently at 300 meters. I took it out to a 2 man team match at 1000 yards and got A LOT of vertical. Back to the drawing board! Let's see, RL-23 is within the burn rate range of H4831sc, let's give that a try. The velocity was certainly there, however, the accuracy was not. I thought "Here we go again, with trouble tuning yet another 7mm". I called Rich and found out that this particular case L-O-V-E-S slow powders. Ok let's try H1000. Well all of a sudden this case turned on! I could easily get well in excess of 3000f.p.s with ZERO pressure signs! From 60.7grs to 61.3grs it shot almost identical groups in exactly the same location on the target at 300 meters! WHOA! Now this is a W-I-D-E window. I said "Ok, let's settle on 60.9 and take it to a match to see about vertical". Yesterday, Sunday, we had a 60 shot 600 yard match at Ben Avery. Winds were from about 7m.p.h. in the morning to 15 or so in the afternoon. The vertical was FLAT AS A PANCAKE! NO "where did that come from" vertical! The velocity is running from 2945 to 2954f.p.s. The accuracy at 300 meters hovers in the vicinity of 0.75-1.00 inch. This is for 3 / 5 shot groups I tested. Now that I know this case desires slow powders, I believe it to be an excellent 7mm to use for F-Open and Steel, for those into that game! It also should be easy to tune from hitherto forth!
 
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Excellent review Ben,
So how does the recoil compare between say a 284 or the 300 wsm? Also, any thoughts on trying the Berger 195's or the heavy Sierras?
George
 
The Sherman’s work as advertised. I built an original 6.5 sherman 6 years ago on the 270 Win for a parent case. Top load runs 140 bergers at 3339 fps out of a 28” Hart. Rich is also very helpful answering any questions you might have. I can only see the Sherman line growing and becoming more popular.
 
Excellent review Ben,
So how does the recoil compare between say a 284 or the 300 wsm? Also, any thoughts on trying the Berger 195's or the heavy Sierras?
George
I am not a fan of the 195s! Not because they are not excellent. Because they are a hunting bullet with a thin jacket. Under the stress and heat of 25+ rounds during an F-Class match, at speeds that MAY cause a blow-up, I have foregone them in favor of a 184 Hybrid. The recoil, at least to me, is the same as any one of the .284 Shehanes I had. But if you are a hunter, and like a short action, this (the 195s) would certainly be the ticket!
 
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I am curious to see what barrel life you get Ben. I discussed this case and John's variant at Raton and he said he was getting very good life; counts he quoted would exceed a straight .284 running at low 2800's. He felt the much longer neck attributed to the long throat life. Please let us know how the throat is holding after 1.5K rounds or so.

Robin
 
I am curious to see what barrel life you get Ben. I discussed this case and John's variant at Raton and he said he was getting very good life; counts he quoted would exceed a straight .284 running at low 2800's. He felt the much longer neck attributed to the long throat life. Please let us know how the throat is holding after 1.5K rounds or so.

Robin
I am hoping for excellent barrel life, due to, as you stated the longer neck>>>and the fact that I am using H1000! We shall see and I will let you know..
 
I am hoping for excellent barrel life, due to, as you stated the longer neck>>>and the fact that I am using H1000! We shall see and I will let you know..
H1000 is working like a champ in my 7 RSAUM. Shoots anything....esp 180 ber and 162/180 ELDM. On fired Norma brass .300 moa.
 
Dumb question.

How well would 7 Sherman work in a long action when fed from a magazine?

Theoretically I would like to be able to get around 2950fps from the 195gr or 184gr Berger bullets, feed from a magazine, and be seated above the neck shoulder junction.
 
Dumb question.

How well would 7 Sherman work in a long action when fed from a magazine?

Theoretically I would like to be able to get around 2950fps from the 195gr or 184gr Berger bullets, feed from a magazine, and be seated above the neck shoulder junction.
The only problem, if there is in fact a "problem", is how well do 40 degree shoulders work thru magazines. I believe that some of the PRS "steel shooters" may have conquered that problem, however, I am not certain as I only shoot single load / single shot. I can get to a comfortable 2950 with 184s. However, getting the 195s up that far may pose a problem. I think it can be done using RL-26 and probably VV N565. Remember though, I am using a 32" barrel! I would talk with Rich Sherman, he is very knowledgeable and very willing to help. That's the best I can do for you..
 
The only problem, if there is in fact a "problem", is how well do 40 degree shoulders work thru magazines. I believe that some of the PRS "steel shooters" may have conquered that problem, however, I am not certain as I only shoot single load / single shot. I can get to a comfortable 2950 with 184s. However, getting the 195s up that far may pose a problem. I think it can be done using RL-26 and probably VV N565. Remember though, I am using a 32" barrel! I would talk with Rich Sherman, he is very knowledgeable and very willing to help. That's the best I can do for you..

It would be going into a controlled round feed action with a Mauser style extractor.

I'm a steel shooter (although I've shot paper targets in the past) and my understanding is that guys are bending the feed lips in their mags to present the cartridge at a correct height for it to feed well.

Before anyone asks, there is no specific measurement I know of, and it's a trial and error process.
 
Dumb question.

How well would 7 Sherman work in a long action when fed from a magazine?

Theoretically I would like to be able to get around 2950fps from the 195gr or 184gr Berger bullets, feed from a magazine, and be seated above the neck shoulder junction.

If you’ve got a long Action, the Sherman Max would be a better fit.

With the Max you can run SAUM thru it just like with a .280/ .280AI.

The SAUM case has to be trimmed around 0.090” for the Sherman Shorts where as with the Max you can fire form regular 7SAUM “factory” loads if you so choose.
 
If you’ve got a long Action, the Sherman Max would be a better fit.

With the Max you can run SAUM thru it just like with a .280/ .280AI.

The SAUM case has to be trimmed around 0.090” for the Sherman Shorts where as with the Max you can fire form regular 7SAUM “factory” loads if you so choose.

Thanks for the info.

I'm curious to see how the 7 Max would do with RL26 and 195gr EOLs.
 
That's odd with the H4350 but with H1000 shooting like that you certainly aren't giving up anything but increased throat erosion.
My experience with .284s, 284 Shehanes, 7mm S.A.U.M.s etc.. that H4350 would be a good choice! Certainly I would have thought I could go sailing past 2900 with no problem! But it could not get to 2900 without bolt-lift issues. Why? You got me my friend. When Rich said the case thrives on slow powders, I had to take his word at it since he designed and shoots his cases! Certainly he has a vast amount of knowledge and data on his design. The only thing I can think of as to why his cases need slow powders is that they are very short and very "fat" with a very minimal case body slope and the 40 degree shoulder. As to the why of it, I don't know and it does not matter to me. All that matters is that I can extract all the case has to offer with H1000! And as you state, less throat wear with the H1000!
 
thanks for the info. So far im a huge fan of the 7 SS. I chose to start w/ H1000 and Berger 180 VLD hunting pills. I had to hurry and come up w/ a load before a hunt, did the Berger VLD test and found they loved a big jump (.083"). I have a short throat (.110) to be mag fed from a short action, so as you can imagine, the bullet sat down in the powder column. Accuracy was phenomenal (for me) at .3-.6 @ 100, 1.5-2 @ 300 and consistency was outstanding (ES of 8-10 and SD of 4.5-5). The downside? It was slow at 2820. Zero pressure signs, but at 62.4gr and that deep seated bullet, I couldn't get much more powder in there (even using a drop tube). For kicks and giggles I loaded a handful w/ a .003-.005 jam and that same 62.4 charge - velocity jumped to 2890.

So with that in mind, I want to come up w/ a new hunting load for elk season later this year with a less depth sensitive bullet (probably Berger 175), so I can get a bit more capacity and run closer to the top end of pressure. Hoping to get it moving at 2920-2970 with similar consistency & accuracy.

The bigger issue is H1000 is becoming more rare, so i need to find something else if I want to bang steel with it. Any suggestions on an H1000 sub? RL26 is out as its more rare right now
 
See if you can put your hands on some VV N565. It is a new powder and temp stable in the same burn rate range as H1000. It may be a shade faster burning. So start your load development about 1.3grs LESS than you would with H1000..
 

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