Stolen Valor
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I go to my local PX and buy all the badges and tabs I need to be cool. That’s all it takes.
And no one can rightfully tell that kiddo he isn't. Grown men need to accept what they are and what they are not. I'm not a seal or a sniper and I judge people who blatantly tell me they are.
The 4 real seals I met were retired and in their late 60s and quite humble about it. They liked to meet up at 4AM on Tuesday and Thursday morning for a "quick" workout at the climbing gym I worked at as a teenager. It was a very intense hour of training that my friends and I would occasionally join them for when we were feeling bold.
DaveTooley
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The saying "Deeds not words" comes to mind.
Coyotefurharvester
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Well I had a governor that claimed to be a seal, then a senator that hid under his desk and claimed they were after him on 9-11. I'm making popcorn, not corn pop.
Funny, or more accurately, peculiar. I am often asked at the range if I'm "ex-military". I'm not. Nothing to do with my shooting, which is good, but not amazing. Nor with my physique, as I'm short and old to boot. I can't explain it.
I did meet and made friends with a fellow older than me that had been designated "sniper" in Korea because of his 20/10 vision and being
a good shot. He said he took longish aimed shots with his regular M-1 at the N. Koreans. He said he was looked askance by his fellow soldiers because of his "cold blooded" killing. He was not well liked by his comrades. By the time I met him he was the kindliest of old men, and this info did not come easily out of him. Once I took him to the range and let him shoot my M-1 Garand, and, at 100 yards, aiming standing he couldn't hit the 8"bull's eye with 8 shots. Then we changed targets and he shot again from the hip, not aiming. All 8 shots were in the bull!
He's been gone now for a few years, but I did appreciate him and enjoy his company. RIP.
Luisyamaha
I did meet and made friends with a fellow older than me that had been designated "sniper" in Korea because of his 20/10 vision and being
a good shot. He said he took longish aimed shots with his regular M-1 at the N. Koreans. He said he was looked askance by his fellow soldiers because of his "cold blooded" killing. He was not well liked by his comrades. By the time I met him he was the kindliest of old men, and this info did not come easily out of him. Once I took him to the range and let him shoot my M-1 Garand, and, at 100 yards, aiming standing he couldn't hit the 8"bull's eye with 8 shots. Then we changed targets and he shot again from the hip, not aiming. All 8 shots were in the bull!
He's been gone now for a few years, but I did appreciate him and enjoy his company. RIP.
Luisyamaha
In the early 80s I used to go into a small LGS. On entering the store the owner, Bill, would ask "Sir, can I sell you something expensive?" I'd tell him I was just looking around and then he'd start to pull guns out from the counter. "Look at this one, try this trigger, this just came in!" He was more into showing off his stock then sell me once he knew I was browsing. He used to say that a person shouldn't buy a pistol if he couldn't hit a man sized target out to 50 yards one handed. He was also a sniper in Viet Nam.
He told the story of having to take out a high ranking NVA propaganda officer. He and his spotter set up on a hill overlooking the village where the officer was going to be. Bill said he fired 3 rounds so fast all three bullets were in the air at the same time, one right after the other. First round hit center mass, the second hit the shoulder of the NVA next to him because he started to turn as the first one was hit. The last round missed or clipped the third NVA as he went to the floor on seeing the others hit.
Right about then Bill and his spotter got lit up by the VC. Bill and spotter ran down the other side of the hill and across a rice paddy. He said he could see a swarm of VC after them shooting as they ran. Bill and his spotter finally got a across and over another small hill where a chopper picked them up. True story
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He told the story of having to take out a high ranking NVA propaganda officer. He and his spotter set up on a hill overlooking the village where the officer was going to be. Bill said he fired 3 rounds so fast all three bullets were in the air at the same time, one right after the other. First round hit center mass, the second hit the shoulder of the NVA next to him because he started to turn as the first one was hit. The last round missed or clipped the third NVA as he went to the floor on seeing the others hit.
Right about then Bill and his spotter got lit up by the VC. Bill and spotter ran down the other side of the hill and across a rice paddy. He said he could see a swarm of VC after them shooting as they ran. Bill and his spotter finally got a across and over another small hill where a chopper picked them up. True story
.Last one I promise, Atlanta airport 1976 on the way to Camp Lejeune after boot camp. I was with another Marine when we saw another Marine PFC with three rows of ribbons. He was about the same age as us maybe a little older. We thought this guy must have been in Nam. We went up said hello and asked about his ribbons. In a southern drawl he said "Shoot, I went me to an army navy surplus store and bought me a passel of these, they sure look purty!" I looked at my partner and we said goodbye. I often wonder what happened to him when he got to his unit.
pirate ammo
Guaranteed to take the wind out of their sails
I done 2 tours in the lovely spot now known as Southeast Asia, and never did I meet anyone named Rambo,or anyone from a seal team, must of been sleeping that day.
shoot4fun
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You're in Minnesota, eh?
Don Shipley is doing yeomen’s work exposing all those clowns
Trophied
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Met a few Special Forces while I was there, but never a Seal. A few snipers that would come in set up some tents in a vacant area, stay a few days or a week or two, then gone as quickly as they showed up. No heroes, no wannabe heroes, just guys doing their job in spite of the sentiment.
I sent Mr. Shipley an email on two names that were bugging me,There is a 20 dollar fee to press a button to find out.Very disappointed !I must apologize for not explaining and giving full marks about my friend Bob Depp, He was a Marine scout sniper .If he says that's the way it is then so be it while wearing his credentials every day from a direct hit his team took from a U.S mortar ! Thank You ! Ralph Mollett
Funny, not really, how none of this brave talk went on over there. We knew who we were and what we did.
Those in the fire service are the same way. I can tell fire stories but I don’t.
Those in the fire service are the same way. I can tell fire stories but I don’t.
I go pretty often to the VA hospitals in Kerrville and San Antonio. Because there is still a lot of "Hurry up and wait", I overhear a lot of war story conversations in the waiting rooms. I have learned to ignore anyone who shares more info than his unit, years they served, and where. It's been my experience that most combat soldiers don't talk about or share their experiences.
I have never owned a "veterans cap", but lots of folks like them and wear them. I do get a bit leery of those who have a dozen badges pinned to their cap.
I was a "bush grunt" and we thought pretty highly of ourselves, as we had the short end of the stick. Still, I respected everyone who served back then and in the present regardless of their MOS. You can't fight a war without C's, bullets, mail and air support.
What I can't stand are the fake veterans that never served. This includes the vets who try to enhance their service by inventing a portfolio of accomplishments their DD 214 can't confirm.
I have never owned a "veterans cap", but lots of folks like them and wear them. I do get a bit leery of those who have a dozen badges pinned to their cap.
I was a "bush grunt" and we thought pretty highly of ourselves, as we had the short end of the stick. Still, I respected everyone who served back then and in the present regardless of their MOS. You can't fight a war without C's, bullets, mail and air support.
What I can't stand are the fake veterans that never served. This includes the vets who try to enhance their service by inventing a portfolio of accomplishments their DD 214 can't confirm.
jimmymac
Jim McGregor
...and here I sit not taking advantage of any veteran discounts that I may be eligible for while these scumbags go around claiming this or that and they never spent a minute in the service. I take that back. I did take advantage of my first discount this year when I bought a Vortex GE and used my veteran credentials.
As far as Seals go, I was a Seabee stationed in Coronado, California in 1982 and 1983. I worked on the beach daily so I saw first hand what those wanna be’s went through trying to make the grade. It was brutal. We were all hard charging young bucks, but the guys who had the desire to put themselves through that training were clearly a step above that. I’d watch those guys from my bulldozer and think to myself that they were friggin nuts and I had the greatest job in the world.
There is an old “Navy Seal” that is a regular at my gun club. I guarantee he never spent a minute as a Seal. As soon as he starts in on something Seal related I shut him down because it is obviously bullshit. I only tolerate him because it’s obvious he served, just not as a Seal.
As far as Seals go, I was a Seabee stationed in Coronado, California in 1982 and 1983. I worked on the beach daily so I saw first hand what those wanna be’s went through trying to make the grade. It was brutal. We were all hard charging young bucks, but the guys who had the desire to put themselves through that training were clearly a step above that. I’d watch those guys from my bulldozer and think to myself that they were friggin nuts and I had the greatest job in the world.
There is an old “Navy Seal” that is a regular at my gun club. I guarantee he never spent a minute as a Seal. As soon as he starts in on something Seal related I shut him down because it is obviously bullshit. I only tolerate him because it’s obvious he served, just not as a Seal.
In the early 80s I used to go into a small LGS. On entering the store the owner, Bill, would ask "Sir, can I sell you something expensive?" I'd tell him I was just looking around and then he'd start to pull guns out from the counter. "Look at this one, try this trigger, this just came in!" He was more into showing off his stock then sell me once he knew I was browsing. He used to say that a person shouldn't buy a pistol if he couldn't hit a man sized target out to 50 yards one handed. He was also a sniper in Viet Nam.
He told the story of having to take out a high ranking NVA propaganda officer. He and his spotter set up on a hill overlooking the village where the officer was going to be. Bill said he fired 3 rounds so fast all three bullets were in the air at the same time, one right after the other. First round hit center mass, the second hit the shoulder of the NVA next to him because he started to turn as the first one was hit. The last round missed or clipped the third NVA as he went to the floor on seeing the others hit.
Right about then Bill and his spotter got lit up by the VC. Bill and spotter ran down the other side of the hill and across a rice paddy. He said he could see a swarm of VC after them shooting as they ran. Bill and his spotter finally got a across and over another small hill where a chopper picked them up. True story
Cool story...sounds remarkably like something I read about this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hathcock
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