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What can cause an outlier group with the same load?

I was firing from a rest with very little wind and over flags at 400 yards. I was continuing my load development trying to fine tune seating depth. With the bullet I was using jammed 5 I had had really good results with less than an inch of vertical at 400 with 6 different groups doing a powder charge test. I had settled on my charge weight and was tuning around a jam of 5.
I fired 3 or 4 sighters to warm up the barrel then fired a group with a different batch of brass I had to see if that mattered and I got a group I was expecting. Less than a half inch of vertical. Then I fired with the. Brass I had before when I was doing my previous testing. It had a vertically strung group with more than 2” of vertical. On the next group jamming 2k more it went right back to a flat line and all the groups around that were similar. So what can cause one crazy group like that when all the rest are similar?

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This is jammed 5. Didn’t notice any wind changes.

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This is jammed 7k. There was a wind shift here. With the flier being the first fired. I’m going to shoot a couple 10 shot groups with this load and if it holds up try it in the next match.
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This is jammed 5k. Same load but a vertical string.

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This is the same load the weekend before. 5 shots but in 15-20 mph winds. For load development I was pretty happy with this group. There was a strong left to right wind as I fired the first two. These are the lowest 2 on target. Then there was a let up and I fired the next three.

So basically the load worked about 8 out of 9 times. What causes the 1 vertically strung group and how do you prevent that from happening in a match?
 
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Its just looking like to hot a load for that day
Scattered not trying to group
Shouldn’t be too hot it’s a 30.6 h4895 and about 60 degrees outside. I ran my ladder up to 31.5 and had pressure around 31.2 and 31.5. This is a bra by the way.
 
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Not really meaning hot weather. The load just looks hot for that day
It would be nice at these times to be able to try say a 30.2 load the same day and conditions
 
4EC81FDA-B476-44E6-AEFF-3A833A81D22B.jpeg Ok 600 yard results. The hole with a 3 beside it is a sighter. The holes marked vt is a group of 3 vapor trails. The 5 holes marked +5 are hammers jammed 5. Looks like three of them did they same as at 400 but the other two had vertical. Also twitchy winds today going from lulls to 7mph.
 
Shoot Vapor Trails send me the Hammers
Seriously "

Maybe a rear bag also
J
 
Just a quiz question? How fast are you Shooting? Not velocity but how long to get all your shots down range?

Bart
I was shooting as fast as I could while keeping an eye on the flags. However I think the 5 jammed load suffered from rest problems. I had some problems with the front rest and had to adjust it a couple times mid string. Same with the 8k jammed. They’re doing about 2940 FPS. And vt about 3000.
 
Three shot groups are not very helpful. A good three shot group does not tell you much. A bad three shot group tells you more. If you keep shooting more shots into the three shot group you may find that the flyers are not realy flyers at all, they are just part of the group.
 
Three shot groups are not very helpful. A good three shot group does not tell you much. A bad three shot group tells you more. If you keep shooting more shots into the three shot group you may find that the flyers are not realy flyers at all, they are just part of the group.
Yes the three shot group from 400 appeared in the 5 shot 600 group and were within 1.2” but the other two were bad. Now I’m wondering was that the group or rest related problems.
 
The first big one for me was head placement. You (me) are a poor judge of that. Get a trusted friend.Read Speedy's article. Segregate your bullets (ogive and weight). Segregate your brass for weight, H2O capacity and neck runout. Read Jim O'Hara's article for his prep when he set the agg record for the whole year. That one to me is the big one. Very few of us are doing all the stuff to get those results. BUT we still expect/want them. I don't but the few times I have the results astounded me. Do your research and give it a shot. Hell you might set a world record.
Not exactly his article but here it is:
http://www.accurateshooter.com/competition/ohara-sets-1000-yard-ibs-agg-records/
 
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I think you are chasing your tail, why are you at 600 trying to find a load or problem? Drop back to a 100 with flags and only work with one bullet and one powder at a time and only change one thing a time. If you shoot H4895 pick a load that shot best and work with seating depth. when it is the best go back to the powder and tweak it. ..... your flags at 600 are not the best indicator to find a load you are so far above them you are not getting the total picture you are 12 minutes above the line of site at mid range shoot and record your velocity and ES it may just tell why you are throwing them, if you are and not the condition..... jim
 
^^^ that's good advice to remember I've taken a couple notes.
Thx John & Jim
 

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