Parallax shift

[Kramerica]

Did the rep say why that is? Not trying to pick a fight, just curious. dedogs

I did not ask, just kinda left it at that. I will ask though just to get the info. Your not picking a fight with me, I’m all about getting more info on things I don’t know.

 

[Kramerica]

Did the rep say why that is? Not trying to pick a fight, just curious. dedogs

So the Rep doesn’t really know he passed the question on to an engineer and said he would get back to me next week

 

[Peebles24]

@Milo 2.0 i am understanding that paralax has absolutely nothing to do with clarity of the view only with whether or not your crosshairs stay exactly on the same spot as you move around. I was told for proper adjustment i may not be in focus.

 

[dedogs]

more often than not going side to side will cause varied results.

I am totally baffled by this. How can you repeatedly hit where you are aiming if the cross-hairs move side to side. I too have seen this on a # of Night Force scopes. dedogs

 

[Kramerica]

I am totally baffled by this. How can you repeatedly hit where you are aiming if the cross-hairs move side to side. I too have seen this on a # of Night Force scopes. dedogs

Not sure, I did just read an article that said it’s not possible to have no vertical parallax and have horizontal parallax. It said that could be an eye issue or moving the rifle with your cheek. So it very well could just be me I’m not ruling that out. I bring it out to 600 yards pretty often and I can keep it under 1MOA most of the time. Here’s the article it was a pretty good read. https://www.snipercountry.com/scope-parallax/

 

[wedgy]

@Milo 2.0 i am understanding that paralax has absolutely nothing to do with clarity of the view only with whether or not your crosshairs stay exactly on the same spot as you move around. I was told for proper adjustment i may not be in focus.

There are a couple threads about NF scopes not being in focus when they are parallax free, of my 4 NF scopes(3 NXS + 1 ATACR) only one NXS will be in focus and parallax free. The eyepiece needs to be adjusted correctly, that could be an issues. None of my other brand of scopes have this issue. Also I am not a fan of the eyepiece rotating when I turn the power knob.
https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/parallax-vs-focus.1988/

 

[alinwa]

Not sure, I did just read an article that said it’s not possible to have no vertical parallax and have horizontal parallax. It said that could be an eye issue or moving the rifle with your cheek. So it very well could just be me I’m not ruling that out. I bring it out to 600 yards pretty often and I can keep it under 1MOA most of the time. Here’s the article it was a pretty good read. https://www.snipercountry.com/scope-parallax/

That article sounds like one of my f'rav'rite posters.... Paul Coburn, "CatShooter"....meow....

He don't come aroun' no more.....

I have many times gotten side-parallax when free of vertical. I fight it....and not with cheap scopes. My "cheap" scopes are Leupold.....Last week it was with a March 8-80

I don't have an answer but mostly often manage to fiddlify it out

I've even at times switched out my prescription shooting glasses for un-corrected vision and regular glass, RE-set the eyepiece and started over....

"moving the rifle...cheek...etc"

bahhhhh humbug....

"How come everybody else's world is so friggin' EASY???"

LOL

al

 

[dedogs]

Paul Coburn, "CatShooter

That's Corbin aka "Condor" @ Sniper's Hide. He also shows up @ Saubier as Catshooter once in awhile. dedogs

 

[JFrank]

I am totally baffled by this. How can you repeatedly hit where you are aiming if the cross-hairs move side to side. I too have seen this on a # of Night Force scopes. dedogs

Maybe by closing one eye?
Parallax for me is a non issue, I focus the reticle adjust the so called parallax turret to the target and keep both eyes open and squeeze off a round.
I define Parallax as standing close in front of a tree . I see one tree, now step back a few yards and you see the edges of the tree behind it. Am I right or wrong?
Probably Wrong

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Maybe by closing one eye?
Parallax for me is a non issue, I focus the reticle adjust the so called parallax turret to the target and keep both eyes open and squeeze off a round.
I define Parallax as standing close in front of a tree . I see one tree, now step back a few yards and you see the edges of the tree behind it. Am I right or wrong?
Probably Wrong

Think of a needle on a meter or even a mechanical speedometer in your truck. The passenger sees a different speed than you do. The good analog voltmeters and such have a mirror behind the pointer so you can move your head and line it up perfectly

 

[JFrank]

Think of a needle on a meter or even a mechanical speedometer in your truck. The passenger sees a different speed than you do. The good analog voltmeters and such have a mirror behind the pointer so you can move your head and line it up perfectly

That's a good parallel
That must be why the wife keeps telling me to slow down

 

[dedogs]

I have read Paul's article a number of times(have it saved in my archives) and fully understand how a scope works. It is after all the point of the article and Paul is a very good teacher. My issue is with the Night Force rep. saying you can get the up and down parallax out of their scopes but often you cannot get the side to side parallax out. WTH! dedogs

 

[Texas10]

That's a good parallel
That must be why the wife keeps telling me to slow down

You must have a right hand drive car. Are you a rural delivery postman?

 

[JFrank]

I followed her advice one morning until a cop pulled us over for going too slow!

 

[Milo 2.0]

@Milo 2.0 i am understanding that paralax has absolutely nothing to do with clarity of the view only with whether or not your crosshairs stay exactly on the same spot as you move around. I was told for proper adjustment i may not be in focus.

This post has me reeling, of coarse owners or instruction manuals and myself have never got along.
I have a 7 saum, NF 7-35, I have never hit an IPSC size target past 1650 with it. My older setups 1850 seemed like a chip shot.
I was out a month ago, and was shooting good that day, tried 1850, it was like I was shaking. I recall trying to break shots when the crosshair was in the right position, then after asking myself why did you fire.
Guess what I am doing later today or tomorrow morning.

 

[Tim s]

Not for nothing but with a lot of quality target scopes all of this is made a bit more challenging if you have not precisely focused your reticle and with a lot of Niteforce's fine x hairs it bears checking a few times. If you take more than 5-10 seconds it is easy for your eyes to adjust and fool yourself.
I had to do it 3-4 times on my BR 42 before I was satisfied.
As to the OP's original question, we shoot a 200yd club BR match and 50yd RF match every week for good practice and always need to tweak both LCS 45's parallax a bit.

 

[dedogs]

if you have not precisely focused your reticle and with a lot of Niteforce's fine x hairs it bears checking a few times.

I agree 100%. This is often the problem. dedogs

 

[Tim s]

This post has me reeling, of coarse owners or instruction manuals and myself have never got along.
I have a 7 saum, NF 7-35, I have never hit an IPSC size target past 1650 with it. My older setups 1850 seemed like a chip shot.
I was out a month ago, and was shooting good that day, tried 1850, it was like I was shaking. I recall trying to break shots when the crosshair was in the right position, then after asking myself why did you fire.
Guess what I am doing later today or tomorrow morning.

Light refraction, generally, has a lot to do with POI considerations.
Here is a perfect example I have used with several witnesses with dropped jaws.
For years, We shot nothing but LCS 40's-45's and before that 36's, until the March's hit the USA and after a bit, bought my first one.
I forgot who exactly told me to try this test but I set my gun up at 200 at the IBS 200-300 nationals well before the match in mid summer and centered the dot right in the mothball and left it there for 5 minutes plus so many could view and as you looked for a minute or so you could watch that dot slowly drift out almost to the 9 ring, more than once. The LCS set up next-door barely budged.
This is one of THE principle reasons guys like Tony B began to advocate getting all your shots in a group fired in no more than 20-30 seconds unless you get caught in a switch and have to go to the sighter. If you're a picker it's easier to get caught out.The farther the distance, the more important because, loosely translated, your scope is no longer looking where your barrel is pointing.
Remember in BR matches we're only talking, generally, a couple bullet holes, but it is a substantial factor, often...not always, but often.

 

[Milo 2.0]

Light refraction, generally, has a lot to do with POI considerations.
Here is a perfect example I have used with several witnesses with dropped jaws.
For years, We shot nothing but LCS 40's-45's and before that 36's, until the March's hit the USA and after a bit, bought my first one.
I forgot who exactly told me to try this test but I set my gun up at 200 at the IBS 200-300 nationals well before the match in mid summer and centered the dot right in the mothball and left it there for 5 minutes plus so many view. and as you looked for a minute or so you could watch that dot slowly drift out almost to the 9 ring, more than once. The LCS set up next-door barely budged.
This is one of THE principle reasons guys like Tony B began to advocate getting all your shots in a group fired in no more than 20-30 seconds unless you get caught in a switch and have to go to the sighter. If you're a picker it's easier to get caught out.The farther the distance, the more important because, loosely translated, your scope is no longer looking where your barrel is pointing.
Remember in BR matches we're only talking, generally, a couple bullet holes, but it is a substantial factor, often...not always, but often.

Thanks, I've shot scoped rifles for over 40 yrs and can say, this was the first time I've consciously witnessed this. Could be I've never paid attention to it, or had the need to pay attn.
Other than hunting, if I am on a range shooting, once I close the bolt on a loaded rd, I'd say 4 seconds max and the bullet is leaving the barrel, or I'll pull the bolt back slightly and start over. I do not have a history of lingering on a target.
EDIT: I understand light refractions to a degree and mirage. Usually do not vapor lock me. I think I witnessed something new to myself, and the NF and I are going to have a range date, soon.

 

[Tim s]

Thanks, I've shot scoped rifles for over 40 yrs and can say, this was the first time I've consciously witnessed this. Could be I've never paid attention to it, or had the need to pay attn.
Other than hunting, if I am on a range shooting, once I close the bolt on a loaded rd, I'd say 4 seconds max and the bullet is leaving the barrel, or I'll pull the bolt back slightly and start over. I do not have a history of lingering on a target.
EDIT: I understand light refractions to a degree and mirage. Usually do not vapor lock me. I think I witnessed something new to myself, and the NF and I are going to have a range date, soon.

Remember the point, It makes no difference how long you take for a single shot but when you use the same sighting point for multiple shots in those conditions......like in a BR group.