Barrel Nut - Less Enthused Now (for my use)

[urbanrifleman]

And the floating bolt head fixes the looseness there.

There is no "looseness". That is just ridiculous. You keep saying ridiculous things.

Thread clearance is thread clearance, the nut has ZERO to do with "slop" and I dare say that Criterion can cut threads better on their multi million dollar machines than most home gunsmiths can on their Grizzly lathes, I know for a fact my friend Paul Craddock damn sure can!!! His threads almost hydraulic lock if there is any oil on the threads they are so perfect.

 

[alinwa]

There is no "looseness". That is just ridiculous. You keep saying ridiculous things.

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LOLOL!!!

SEEE????


He shore gotcha' THERE Dusty....

 

[MDM]

Here's an honest question...How are the manufacturers of prefit barrels indicating the bore of their blanks before they do the threading and chambering portion? Is there zero runout from the ass end of the chamber to the throat on the popular prefits? That's the most critical part to an accurate barrel IMO, a consistent bore helps too.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Here's an honest question...How are the manufacturers of prefit barrels indicating the bore of their blanks before they do the threading and chambering portion? Is there zero runout from the ass end of the chamber to the throat on the popular prefits? That's the most critical part to an accurate barrel IMO, a consistent bore helps too.

Now there you go.

My friend Paul Craddock has entire procedure for getting the bore aligned and he is very proud of it and it really works. He does not tell people how he does it. Company secret.

He does not chamber on a CNC. He has a chamber guy and chambers by hand. Criterion uses a CNC to chamber. As a result his Criterion blank made barrels have been getting the reputation for shooting better than the CNC Criterions.

 

[Cloudrepair]

Well because no one has asked.
Why did the gunsmith chamber the barrel so it had to be timed if he knew it was for a savage?

 

[Dusty Stevens]

LOLOL!!!

SEEE????


He shore gotcha' THERE Dusty....

Hes right. Savage is the benchmark of tolerance

 

[pirate ammo]

all this for a NUT,,

 

[Dusty Stevens]

all this for a NUT,,

Ive never knocked savage accuracy. I got one that i built for a guy- bought it back when he died. No nut on a fine krieger barrel. Shoots good enough to bring home a win last weekend. But theres no denying why they do what they do (its not for accuracy it just happens to work well). I cut my threads to where theyre right. They wont seize. Most accuracy gunsmiths have been thru the whole spectrum of thread fit (and tite aint where its at)

 

[boltfluter]

As Dusty said, the nut is just for ease of manufacturing. Nothing more. Tight tolerances to a shoulder do not have to be held, as the nut is the shoulder. So to speak. A mass produced barrel, such as the pre-fits, will not shoot to it's full potential compared to a custom fitted barrel from one of the top Smiths. For 99% of shooters the barrel nut will work just fine. But we are the 1% of shooters that do not want "just fine". We want perfection. Flame suit on. Go!!.

Paul

 

[jds holler]

I got my first nutted barrel awhile back, and everything is ducky. It went on a bone-stock unmodified Rem 700 action. I'm very happy -- BUT

What would have happened if my action had turned out to be a previously trued or thread modified action? Anyone have this occurrence with a nut system?? jd

 

[6MMsteve]

I'm poor so the nut system works for me, but I dream of Bats and Bordens laying under the Xmas tree with kriegers and brux's hanging from the limbs, and the March of Nightforce coming down the hallway, and little ol Barts hiding in the stockings, with flakes of snow falling on the Vapor Trail, sitting there on that sack of Fed 210s Happy September

 

[Tommie]

Tired of the bashing! Try having a creedmoor with a nut. That's double bashing.

Now THAT is funny!

 

[mikecr]

I've built on several BATs and love them. But if BAT decided to integrate a fine thread barrel nut system and floating bolt head, I'd immediately order up one for another build. Hopefully he would also allow for a far larger barrel tenon than current offerings, a bit more bolt coning, and provide roller cocking in two lug configuration. Rem footprint.
Given the choice, I'd go with this better design over his existing models.
Maybe just me.

Truly, there is as much potential with an off the shelf Savage action, as any other. I just love BAT's machining.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I've built on several BATs and love them. But if BAT decided to integrate a fine thread barrel nut system and floating bolt head, I'd immediately order up one for another build. Hopefully he would also allow for a far larger barrel tenon than current offerings, a bit more bolt coning, and provide roller cocking in two lug configuration. Rem footprint.
Given the choice, I'd go with this better design over his existing models.
Maybe just me.

Truly, there is as much potential with an off the shelf Savage action, as any other. I just love BAT's machining.

You can put a roller cocking piece on any 2 lug. I have one on every bat i have. Not sure why you want a bigger tenon but the M has one- and you can make a barrel nut for any action made if you so desire. Ive made them for every brand i can think of. The tikka ones are real cute.

 

[dolek]

 

[SG4247]

Just got my first neutered Savage 12 target action with a shouldered Bartlien. Have a Bat B too, with a shoulder and it is really nice. If the threads are cut by a competent smith - to fit the threads on your action perfectly, that has to be the very best option available.

Problem with the BAT is...the lugs will gall unless submerged in a barrel of oil after every shot.

Think I will like the Savage very much, without the nut.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Problem with the BAT is...the lugs will gall unless submerged in a barrel of oil after every shot.

Come on man- the thousands of bats out there work just fine every day. Everybody i know of uses the same style high pressure grease as the next guy and we never see galled bat lugs or any other brand for that matter.

 

[SG4247]

Naw, there is a serious issue with the lug harness on my BAT. He needs to heat treat the lugs or something. Only thing Bruce could offer is to resurface the faces and melonite it all. Dont see that with the any of the other brand of bolt guns on this planet, even the ones shot dry....

Doubt my Savage 12 needs grease after every shot.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Naw, there is a serious issue with the lug harness on my BAT. He needs to heat treat the lugs or something. Only thing Bruce could offer is to resurface the faces and melonite it all. Dont see that with the any of the other brand of bolt guns on this planet, even the ones shot dry....

Doubt my Savage 12 needs grease after every shot.

You should send it back in. If theres an issue with the hardness it may knock your teeth out one day

 

[steve123]

The typical BAT user is a benchrest shooter, who lubes their lugs judiciously. The Tactical shooters usually don't.

I would see this issue with the BAT's fairly often on the Hide, this was with the Tactical actions, pre nitriding.

They called it "similar metals galling". Dissimilar metals, like the ARC Mausingfield has, is what I went with instead back then. No chance of galling, the metallurgy is as good as it gets, and the bolt head is super hard.